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CoffeeBreakArchives 2001


It is great to see a lot of activity in this Codev web, even without e-mail notification working. New features slowly but surly get into the TWiki core. There is currently a backlog of incorporating contributions into the TWiki core, due to time constraints. I hope this will change in the near future.

We focus here on technical issues, how about human ones? I find that human factors are more difficult to address, mainly due to the revolutionary Wiki style that results in the WikiCulture. Getting the buy-in from co-workers when starting TWiki on an intranet site is essential. If you need some presentation material see TWikiPresentations in the TWiki.Main web (contributions are welcome too!).

-- PeterThoeny - 02 Feb 2001

Ponder this: Where does one discuss a possible bug which they are not quite sure of?

Anyway, has anyone seen this problem -> Using Netscape Navigator 4.75 on Solaris 8, the priniting of TWiki pages stops at any line with a as yet undefined TWiki word. I comfirmed the SPAN tag that we are using to highlight the text as the source of the problem, yet another netscape bug!!. The whole line and all the text after it just doesn't get output by netscape to Postscript though it display it fine in browser.

-- ManpreetSingh - 12 Feb 2001

Good question, where should we log problems like this? Not strictly a TWiki bug, but TWiki could be changed to work around this Netscape bug. Hmm, may be we should add a new category BugWorkaround?

Another note. The e-mail notification finally works almost again! SourceForge support was not very helpful to say the least. I opened SR#109557 on 09 Dec 2000 for the first time, then there were some open / close iterations on support calls without fixing the problem. Last week they closed #113716 and said that they fixed it, but it still did not work. I did some more tests and found the cause of the problem. It still did not work because SourceForge mixed up the file permissions which rendered the notification script unuseable. Also requesting to fix the file permission problem took three support cycles until it got fixed, SR#113713, #113757 and #113864. The remaining problem is that e-mail sent to users with a SourceForge address bounces back, e-mail to the outside is fine.

-- PeterThoeny - 18 Feb 2001

Is this the place for this thread? Why not move to PersonalizableWebNotify?

-- AndreaSterbini - 21 Mar 2001

I moved the personalizable notifications topic to the existing CustomizableEmailNotificationInterval topic.

-- PeterThoeny - 22 Mar 2001

For those who are in the Silicon Valley next week: I have a talk about TWiki, together with PaulReiber at the Silicon Valley Webguild on Wed, 30 May 2001, http://www.webguild.org/tech/ . (The meeting is free and open to the public. RSVPs not required)

-- PeterThoeny - 24 May 2001

Can you attach that presentation somewhere? It's not on their site frown Of course, maybe I'm just being impatient and not giving them enough time to post it smile

-- DavidWeller - 01 Jun 2001

It's already at TWikiPresentations. Also, there's an unrelated one at TWikiPresentation.

I'm very interested in how people get internal buy-in and encourage wider participation - is there somewhere we can talk about this?

-- RichardDonkin - 01 Jun 2001

I created a new category item TWikiDeployment to discuss all non technical aspects of using TWiki in the corporate and educational world.

-- PeterThoeny - 01 Jun 2001

TWikiSlideShowEngine is nice piece of code and shows the power of TWikiSpreadSheet. But I had the problem to print all of the slides of the Webguild presentation to be able to take a look at it offline.

The solution is simple, just a bit of HTML code. See AllOfTWikiPlatformPresentation. (Warning: this topic loads all 54 slides! Probably it would be a good idead to split it in several parts following the agenda)

-- HubertWeikert - 12 Jun 2001

I want to develop more on my stylesheet project, but it will require some assistance from core people. What is the best way to coordinate with them? (I plan to start in ernest after the pending release.)

-- DavidLeBlanc - 15 Jul 2001

Is there a reason why the plugins web does not (yet) appear on the web menu? It seems that the move of plugins from the Codev web is confusing some folks (well it's confusing me). Anyway I stuck it in on TWikiPreferences - hopefully this is not premature...

-- SteveRoe - 15 Aug 2001

Our initial plan was to make the Plugins web public at the time of the upcoming production release (which is delayed for a llllllllllllong time). Since many people are already using recent Betas it makes sense to publish it, so your action is fine. The Plugins web still has some rough edges that we need to address over the next few days.

-- PeterThoeny - 15 Aug 2001

Anyone fancy a beer? big grin stick out tongue

-- MartinCleaver - 21 Nov 2001

Now we have TWO CoffeeBreaks... A doppelganger among us. What to do? eek!

-- MikeMannix - 21 Nov 2001

What would be really helpful is if you could refactor the conversations in the old coffee break into topics like:

If there are existing topics with similar names, please use those.

Then:

  1. Add a new 'Thread' entry on the WebForm edit that selects among your threads.
  2. Add an include on the WebForm view that inline includes the thread topic selected on the WebForm.
  3. On the thread pages create a bookview search that lists all topics that include the thread topic (this will pick up both the items you've manually marked and those that people set from the WebForm.

Finally:

  1. refactor your DevOpinionPoll items into DevelopmentAreaByPersonInterested.
  2. rename what's left of coffee break

Thanks. (And if you do all that I'll buy you a beer smile )

-- MartinCleaver - 22 Nov 2001

That's an excellent page-handling plan. Which is great, since there are hundreds of pages to handle. I really do want to get to the end of MasterRefactor - sticking to a clear initial plan is usually the best course. Here, the idea was to group related pages, and then start first editing, then "refactoring".

Your approach is the more immediately practical, but kinda opposite.

My original idea: "The approach is to come up with subject headings that make sense of the existing topics and discussions, NOT to create familiar or logical categories, and then try to fit everything in them. The initial format is whatever it takes - quotes, notes, links - to quickly organize Codev content as a whole; the next step is to optimize the Codev web along those lines."

So, WORKING ALONE, I've tagged maybe 100 of 800 total pages, of which maybe 700 will eventually get grouped (the rest being admin topics). But probably another 100-200 pages are enough to see what's happening and stop collecting, concentrate on editing down.

Already, the threads that naturally emerged seem to make sense: ChangesThread, CollaborationThread, InterfaceThread, FeaturesThread, CodeBaseThread. The first two are very specific, but full of UI detail: autolinking across webs, effetively highlighting changes diffs, not registering changes for trivial edits, not having topics spread across multiple threads and over time, and often drift off, to make it clear to everyone where to read up on and post comments on what they're interested in. Comments, complaints, and suggestions are all over these pages (I know you've probably read more of 'em than I have, maybe, but it's still the point).

The last three threads, are the opposite, really broad, but they also break down easily once there's enough to see groupings. Compatibility with different exchange protocols, general areas like doing stuff with email, etc. And then, there's the TWikiOO effort, which I believe Hans is still working on. Part of Interface is a getting a hardcore well-coded CSS2 template - I'm looking around for volunteers. Etc...

It's an endless list unless there's a....MASTER PLAN. First. And that, I think, can only come from doing the gruntwork first, sifting through all the thought contributed over the last couple of years, seeing the natural chunks. Then, things can be prioritized.

Of course, it ends up at Peter. And I'm sure he has a pretty clear idea in his head of where things are going. But I think the bigger picture will surprise everyone.

Hey, it's 6 am, I haven't slept! Do read my other essay at the bottom of MasterRefactor - it kinda sums things up ;>

Cheers!

-- MikeMannix - 22 Nov 2001

Just a quick note to say that I have left Andersens and am about to go travelling (mainly to NZ, OZ and Thailand). I plan to use TWiki for my journal while I am away so I maintain my interest in its development. I am still campaigning at Andersens for them to release the sourcecode to the bits we wrote in house.

My collaboration will be particularly sporadic for the next month or so.

Regards, M.

-- MartinCleaver - 17 Dec 2001

I just installed TWiki for Yale Center for Medical Informatics (I will add link after adding some security - I am scared, and we do not have any TWiki contents yet). I played with web colors a little and figured out how to display web color (using SPAN tag) in each WebHome topic in fancy, self-resetting way, instead of writing (SPECIFY COLOR), please see source here:

  • You are currently in the TWiki.Codev web. This is color code for web Codev, so you know where you are.

Just my 2 cents. BTW, TWiki is great tool! Thank you!

-- PeterMasiar - 18 Dec 2001

Peter,Andrea,John,

What's the procedure for introducing code into the main code base? Do we have a clearing house topic that I'm not aware of at present? Is it the "upcoming release" page?

The reason I ask is I've made a small number of modifications to our code base, and uploaded some patches recently, but I want to know how to make them raise above your radar screens... It struck me that asking on here than the mailing list makes more sense since this way you answer the question once smile

-- MichaelSparks - 27 Dec 2001

Please post your request in the release-under-construction, which is now the BeijingRelease.

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A Happy New Year to everyone!

-- PeterThoeny - 31 Dec 2001

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