TWiki>
Codev Web>CoffeeBreak>CoffeeBreakArchives>CoffeeBreakArchives2004 (24 Jun 2005, WillNorris)EditAttach
Codev Web>CoffeeBreak>CoffeeBreakArchives>CoffeeBreakArchives2004 (24 Jun 2005, WillNorris)EditAttachCoffeeBreakArchives 2004
Happy New Year everyone! Amazing how high TWiki is if you search Google for Plugins; Google:Plugins
- that is amazing #6. [Main.MattWilkie - 07 Jan 2004]
- hmmm, first spotting with the naked eye at 15 parsecs orbiting venus... next sighting doesn't occur until #42 with java in hand, and it still isn't twiki.org. That doesn't happen until we get outside the local galaxy at an astounding 146. This is getting more curious all the time. I think we might be seeing the blogs gaming Google in action. [Main.MattWilkie - 07 Jan 2004]
- the easiest (only?) way to "read new" on twiki is to view changes and manually click each topic, then scan to the 'end', or, yuck, get a diff
- the best twiki can do in terms of ease-of-use for quickly entering a new message is the CommentPlugin plugin.
- there is no way to relate and/or categorize (i.e. group) webs or topics (via children or manually) other than via a search result.
- a massive amount of administration is needed (ex: "CoffeeBreakArchives" and refactoring) to keep twiki topics under control.
- install a modified CommentPlugin, which:
- trims the top of the topic (auto-archive)
- uses a signature line at the top of a comment
- adds a "_follow_ up this comment / private reply " link at end of comment
- colorize and indent followup-replies
- discourage any topic editting which doesn't also refactor (a cultural change), i.e. encourage use of the plugin for conversations
- implement a much better technique for "go to the next place with new comments" (rather than the current method: manual search)
Anyone knows if/how I can trace this person and put him behind bars? - It may be a virus (running on other people's systems). It sends fake "your message to xyz@somewhere has been rejected" emails to other people. I've been getting these for months. -- JonathanCline - 16 Jan 2004
- http://worldcongress.mcmaster.ca/pdf/25program.pdf
- http://worldcongress.mcmaster.ca/keynote_speakers3.htm
- http://worldcongress.mcmaster.ca/welcome.htm
- Yes, similar to what we are doing right here. Except the interface here is completely manual and blown way out of proportion. Which is why I suggested comment plugin.
- Old text rolls off (expires from) the top. New text gets added to the bottom. (or visa-versa)
- mirror a room ("topic") to another system.
- allow local changes in the room ("topic") to propagate to another system, and visa versa
- allow per-room files ("topic attachments") to propagate to another system
cvs merge functionality, on a per-topic basis.
-- JonathanCline - 16 Jan 2004
I (MartinCleaver) am in the UK for the next week or so. If anyone would like to meet up for a beer please call me on 07956 646 799. Cheers.
-- MartinCleaver - 19 Jan 2004
WebRss is broken, perhaps because of changes in Search? Don't have time right now to look at it, maybe someone else?
- WebSearch is broken too. I can't get it to display any results. -- SamHasler - 19 Jan 2004
- Sorry about that, is fixed now. There is a bug in the TWikiBetaRelease 18 Jan 2004 due to a last minute revert of PARAM to URLPARAM. This is now fixed, and a new TWikiBetaRelease 19 Jan 2004 is released. -- PeterThoeny - 19 Jan 2004
- WebSearch is now working and is tres cool. And there was much rejoicing, yea. -- SamHasler - 19 Jan 2004
-- PeterThoeny - 20 Jan 2004
I will be on holidays for 2 weeks, in the beautiful hills of Slovenia.
-- ArthurClemens - 22 Jan 2004
Hey, everyone! I'm finally getting into a position where I can spend some time working on TWiki again! I'm currently doing a CVS update and downloading a beta to set up for testing here on my machine. I plan on reaquainting myself with the code over the next week or so and then I'm going to start work on some general refactoring and cleanup.
-- WalterMundt - 23 Jan 2004
How'd the presentation go Peter?
Enjoy your vacation Arthur!
Welcome back Walter!
-- MattWilkie - 24 Jan 2004
The presentation went well, see TWikiPresentation21Jan2004Feedback.
Today I got again lots of bounced e-mails sent from "me". A spammer is continuing to send out e-mails using peter@thoenyPLEASENOSPAM.com as the From and Reply-to address.
Here is a header of one of the bounces:
Return-path: <peter@thoeny.com>
Received: from ravms by mx3.global.net.uk with mail-ok (Exim 3.36 #1)
id 1AkrCO-000Kzo-00
for billeboy@dialstart.net; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:49:40 +0000
Received: from host-80-48-3-73.olsztyn.mm.pl ([80.48.3.73])
by mx3.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
id 1AkrCM-000Kx7-00
for billeboy@dialstart.net; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:49:38 +0000
Received: from [214.55.137.218] by host-80-48-3-73.olsztyn.mm.pl id 5Bj0hi154tsm; Mon, 26 Jan 2004
02:41:37 +0600
Message-ID: <69$6$4445$r0v8ns1967-$1@dntn.lx>
From: "" <peter@thoeny.com>
Reply-To: "" <peter@thoeny.com>
To: billeboy@.....
Subject: RE:Satisfy her m ozhuwi qs j
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 04 02:41:37 GMT
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="..F1C_6_.FE.CB979"
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Envelope-To: billeboy@.....
The body is html and has one link pointing to
http://www.herbal-world.us/cgi-bin/tracker/clickalpha.cgi?id=haydeneric
herbal-world.us is registered in Thailand, but the company seems to be in the US since the website claims 2 days shipping. After some more research I found that herbal-world.us is just one of many incarnations of www.pureherbal.biz. The website of corse does not list any address of phone number. Any hints or help on tracking this spammer is appreciated According to Google http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/Abuse/Spam/, a good source of information seems to be http://spam.abuse.net/
-- PeterThoeny - 26 Jan 2004
http://www.whois.sc/pureherbal.biz reveals all. Nice thing about this is that everyone who has a website has to eventually be billed for it. I guess he speaks Japanese so you might even find speaking to the said waster more productive than most of would. Give him some harsh words from me!
I've quoted the section with pre - even if you do nothing the spambots will come along all fill his technical and admin mailboxes with junk. Sweet.
HTH, Martin.
Website Title: Herbal-RX - New Level Of **** Enlargement! Server Type: Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) PHP/4.3.4 mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7a (Spry.com also uses Apache) Website Status: Active Reverse IP: Web server hosts 8 websites (reverse ip tool requires free login) IP Address: 220.175.8.42 (ARIN & RIPE IP search) IP Location: China - Chinanet Jiangxi Province Network Whois History: 10 records stored Record Type: Domain Name Monitor: Monitor or Backorder Wildcard search: 'pureherbal' or 'pure herbal' in all domains. Other TLDs: .com .net .org .info .biz .us X X X X [2 available domains] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain Name: PUREHERBAL.BIZ Domain ID: D5815719-BIZ Sponsoring Registrar: DIRECT INFORMATION PVT. LTD., (D.B.A. DIRECTI.COM) Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Registrant ID: DI_235309 Registrant Name: Akira Goshi Registrant Organization: Goshi Media Inc. Registrant Address1: 9-6-1 Kinuta Registrant City: Tokyo Registrant Postal Code: 1578570 Registrant Country: Japan Registrant Country Code: JP Registrant Phone Number: +81.333256090 Registrant Email: herbalworld@mail15.com Administrative Contact ID: DI_235309 Administrative Contact Name: Akira Goshi Administrative Contact Organization: Goshi Media Inc. Administrative Contact Address1: 9-6-1 Kinuta Administrative Contact City: Tokyo Administrative Contact Postal Code: 1578570 Administrative Contact Country: Japan Administrative Contact Country Code: JP Administrative Contact Phone Number: +81.333256090 Administrative Contact Email: herbalworld@mail15.com Billing Contact ID: DI_235309 Billing Contact Name: Akira Goshi Billing Contact Organization: Goshi Media Inc. Billing Contact Address1: 9-6-1 Kinuta Billing Contact City: Tokyo Billing Contact Postal Code: 1578570 Billing Contact Country: Japan Billing Contact Country Code: JP Billing Contact Phone Number: +81.333256090 Billing Contact Email: herbalworld@mail15.com Technical Contact ID: DI_235309 Technical Contact Name: Akira Goshi Technical Contact Organization: Goshi Media Inc. Technical Contact Address1: 9-6-1 Kinuta Technical Contact City: Tokyo Technical Contact Postal Code: 1578570 Technical Contact Country: Japan Technical Contact Country Code: JP Technical Contact Phone Number: +81.333256090 Technical Contact Email: herbalworld@mail15.com Name Server: NS1.JONSDNS.BIZ Name Server: NS2.JONSDNS.BIZ Created by Registrar: DIRECT INFORMATION PVT. LTD., (D.B.A. DIRECTI.COM) Last Updated by Registrar: DIRECT INFORMATION PVT. LTD., (D.B.A. DIRECTI.COM) Domain Registration Date: Thu Dec 04 05:50:48 GMT 2003 Domain Expiration Date: Fri Dec 03 23:59:59 GMT 2004 Domain Last Updated Date: Thu Dec 04 16:14:57 GMT 2003 >>>> Whois database was last updated on: Wed Jan 28 00:02:22 GMT 2004 <<<< NOTE: FAILURE TO LOCATE A RECORD IN THE WHOIS DATABASE IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE AVAILABILITY OF A DOMAIN NAME.-- MartinCleaver - 28 Jan 2004 Whilst any part of any email header can be forged... There's a number of things about these headers that don't look right, however sticking to the most important part ... The recieved headers look odd:
- The first two claim that mx3.global.net.uk recieved the email from both "ravms" and again from host host-80-48-3-73.olsztyn.mm.pl
- User recieves a spam email, with a viral payload.
- Virus gets activated (various methods exist, some don't require an Outlook user to do anything other than read the email - people should patch, but home users do so far less often).
- Current viruses I've heard of scan the following:
- Address Book
- Email folders
- Browser cache To harvest emails. These emails harvested are used for both from & to fields of the email addresses.
- Or had for a long time.
- the version number mentioned - 5.00.2919.6700 - is listed on this page as being one of the versions susceptible to email header based attacks on outlook - meaning the user might just be reading spam themselves.) (3 1/2 year old bug fix that appears not to have been patched on the source machine)
Summary - you might be a victim of supplying your email to all in sundry for display on large numbers of websites - I suspect as a result, this problem will only grow for you :-/ .
-- MS - 28 Jan 2004
Btw, AFAIK the "STOPSPAM" added to each email address here is more of a placebo. A lot of those "harvester programs" "clean up" the email addresses before they use them, so strings like "NOSPAM", "STOPSPAM" and the like will get eliminated anyway.
-- ChristianKohl - 28 Jan 2004
My e-mail address: In the past I already got bounces once in a while, which is an indication of what Micheal states. I get the same with my work e-mail as well. However, in January I got large number of bounces in two separate instances.
Spam padding: The effectiveness has been discussed elsewhere on TWiki.org. It is a simple 90/10 rule. Most spammers don't take the time to fiddle around these extra steps since there are enough sites readily available with plain e-mail addresses. Like a car with an alarm label on the door.
-- PeterThoeny - 28 Jan 2004
Anyone interested in a file manager plugin that would allow you to view and manipulate a file system, reference files from topics, etc.?
Or an application framework that utilizes command line calls and/or LWP calls to perl/php/java, takes their output and feeds into a TWiki topic?
-- CharlieSmith - 30 Jan 2004
Yes, very. My private library is growing rapidly, and it contains references to the files on my disk. So, file manager would be great. I already asked for referencing filesystem in LinkingToLocalFiles.
By the way - my library in actual stage is quite complex for the user, and therefore, in practice, it is uesful only for me. The other members of my expert teams can only read the topics. So, I'm waiting for TWiki News Portal by Peter Thoney to learn how to hide the complexity, and make my library fully collaborative application. I'm not a programmer, and hope such examplary applications would be great advantage for people like me.
-- AndrzejGoralczyk - 01 Feb 2004
I've got security warning messages when calling applictions from javascript functions with Netscape. Any ideas how to eliminate this? This is occuring where alias is used to point to an application brought up in window separate from TWiki. Same type of problem occurs whether javascript is in a TWiki page or not.
-- CharlieSmith - 30 Jan 2004
This was on slashdot a week ago, thought I'd mention it here: Culture Surprises in Remote Software Development Teams. The fourth page on Groupware and Cultural Differences is interesting. I wonder how much it can be seen on this site?
-- SamHasler - 05 Feb 2004
Thanks Sam for sharing this article. I have been living for extended time in European cultures, Japanese culture and now American culture, and wholeheartedly agree with most of content of the paper.
We have built our TWiki.org culture over time, and it works quite well most of the time. - Many virtual communities are driven my conventions, like how to sign, when to use ThreadMode, when DocumentMode. This is the case also here on TWiki.org. Conventions give a framework for communication, which enables members to work together efficiently. A right balance of conventions is important; to many will impose a higher barrier to entry for new members.
- We encourage users to register and contribute as a person. The idea is to shake virtual hands. This gives a personal touch to our community and keeps the S/N ratio high, quiet different from other virtual communities like Slashdot.
- We strive to build an an environment where knowledge sharing is a natural thing to do. That is, brainstorming ideas are welcomed and can be discussed in a constructive and free manner[1]. There is an assumption that anonymous contributions are more open because there is no fear of retribution. This assumption does not apply in an open culture like TWiki.org.
- We encourage different opinions. There is a "but": Only if done in a way that respects the community and its members[2].
-- PeterThoeny - 06 Feb 2004
Hi I hope someone can help me, I am new to Twiki and have been practicing in my Sandbox with webforms. I need to enable them but I cannot edit webpreferences. Am I able to do this or do I need to have Twiki installed on my own PC. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place...
-- AndrewStamp - 06 Feb 2004
Yes Andrew, you need to have a twiki at your disposal for which you have administrative privileges to experiment with forms.
Forms can be very confusing to understand and setup properly, especially at the beginning. However if you take your time and are methodical the mess does sort itself out eventually. I had to read the docs several times over before I finally got them working the first time.
This kind of question is normally posted in the Support web.
Kudos to SamHasler for the gentle refactoring example (noted in Peter's last post)
-- MattWilkie - 06 Feb 2004
Andrew, TWiki.org has locked down WebPreferences in all webs as a security measure. You can use thsi undocumented feature to add a form to a template topic: (shh, don't tell anyone 
)
- Create a form topic, e.g.
MyOwnForm - Create a template topic, e.g.
MyOwnTemplate - Edit the template topic and append a
formtemplate=MyOwnFormparameter to the URL and press enter, e.g.http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/edit/Sandbox/MyOwnTemplate?t=123456&formtemplate=MyOwnForm
- That may well be because text had been deleted. The reference to stupid that Peter links to above is now deleted. [ JohnTalintyre 09 Feb 2004 ]
%FIELD%,
etc) is because I like helping people. I don't particularly care
if they don't like me. I don't particularly care if you take my
code or not (it's all GPL'd and TWiki.org's distribution is GPL
compliant these days). I offer it in case it's useful.
I'm sick of being treated as the enemy - it's just a piece of
wiki software. (One which is very antiwiki-way these days,
in my opinion)
-- MS - 07 Feb 2004
"Being abrasive [...] however is less hassle." Successful people avoid being abrasive to community members, because they know that this increases the success rate of getting the buy-in for one's idea and of getting things done.
-- PeterThoeny - 07 Feb 2004
Peter,
> "Being abrasive [...] however is less hassle." Successful people> avoid being abrasive to community members, because they know that
> this increases the success rate of getting the buy-in for one's idea
> and of getting things done.
You don't buy into ideas I put forward anyway I put them forward. I've had lots of different ways of putting them forward over the years I've been here. I've tried explaining, asking, being patient, being exasperated, demonstrating, writing code, giving code, withholding code, helping people, telling people that if they like it/it fixes their problem, they should tell you etc. It makes no difference. You see the person, not the ideas. You see complaints about process, bugs, as a personal insult not for what they are - simple stuff that could be (should be?) dealt with simpler if you relaxed a little and trusted the community more. (Much like most other wikis do.) And the sad thing is many on the core team have disagreed with some of your actions - just as they have mine - over the past few months (part of the reason I still come here actually, I know not every idea I have doesn't fall on deaf ears). Some of them even think the ideas are useful. (And then there's the ones I have like a BabelfishPlugin? - a silly one if I've ever heard it) The thing that really saddens me about that though - is why do they always preface their mails with "don't mention me"... (so I won't) They seem (to me) to be afraid of the response they will get for disagreeing with you. So I put forward responses to you just as they come. If that comes across as abrasive, that's life. I don't take the time to remove any rough edges when talking to you, because you (appear to) ignore people. There's no point smoothing them off if they're not going to be listened to anyway. (Possibly MeatBall:SelfFulfillingProphecy of course) Obviously those will show my opinion on more than what I'm talking about. At least you know where you stand with me. If I think something's good and I say so, you know I'm telling you the truth. Since if I thought the opposite you'd get the opposite. (It's also how I prefer to be treated - I'd rather hear the truth rather than couched, "spun" truths. cf Wiki:AbileneParadox) Success is a relative term. If success on TWiki.org means I have to pretend x,y,z, and appear to always agree with you even when I believe you're wrong (especially about big things) then sorry, I'm happy to be a failure. If you mean success in the terms of do I have a fun project I can contribute to that people can download and make their lives easier? The yes, I do. I also feedback comments to this wiki project. So, as I say above it might be abrasive, but what you see is what you get. And it's not an easy position to be in, but honesty with those you deal with is more important than success. (NB: I'm not accusing anyone of anything. ) Incidentally, I've also been on a separate online forum for over 10 years now whereby being what's been termed abrasive here and honest elsewhere is the norm. If an idea is good/comment is stated by people they think it's good/or whatever, and if it's bad it's challenged. And despite that, that community has largely stayed together, and grown very strong as a result. Without the need for real names, false politeness, false respect, and without fear from users. I've got a huge amount of respect for most people there as a result. Not every community works the same way. Kinda the point of Sam's post above. (And that's editted to try and reduce any apparent abrasiveness) -- MS - 08 Feb 2004 Hi Thomas, I personally don't think this is an appropriate place, since it moves the comments out of context. But that's life. I suspect Crawford's seen it. If he has he (or whomever) may as well just delete the comment. It doesn't serve any purpose other than to answer his question. It's not as if the code isn't available
I actually poked my head in here, though, to suggest an "ideas to place? "
page. This is becoming a common idea in the Wiki:WikiNode network, and
seems to work really well. It's very akin to something that happens on
our wiki when there's no obvious place to put something.
The idea behind an ideas to place page is this:
* You think of an idea
* You don't know a suitable place to put it, or link it from
* You could create an OrphanPage? , but that causes problems long
term with stale content, and TWiki really begins to slow down after
a few thousand topics and sufficiently complex skins. (Contrast
with Wiki:MediaWiki used by the wikipedia which deals with several
hundred thousand interlinked topic pages)
Ideas to place? gives somebody an alternative option. This also
means all new interesting ideas end up in a certain place. Normally
this is handled using a table, which is very simple: - An idea number
- Essentially votes in favour or against. (Add one to the score and update if you like, subtract one if you don't. Leave as is if no preference either way).
- A short description of the idea
- One of the most common questions of possible contributors on
#twiki- "Where can I post this idea" ? "I can't create a new page". (Even when the response is "of course you can, just name it appropriately, and preferably link to it from several appropriate pages.) An ideas to place? page would give them the confidence of where to put the idea.
- It enables visitors who happen to pass through from other wikis to see a common idiom where they can make observations and suggestions.
- It encourages a culture of openness in a wiki web that practices Wiki:HardSecurity rather than Wiki:SoftSecurity
- Please try and be more concise
- You badly mis-respresent Peter; he tries hard to be fair to all contributors; he ends up putting in extra work based on your feedback, sometimes in areas of TWiki that are not so vital e.g. HandlingOfMetaDataInTopicText. Important, but not that important.
- Don't mistake attempts by CoreTeam members to keep things peaceful with you as something else i.e. anti Peter's behaviour. Peter has always been a great lead for TWiki.org. He tries far harder than you possibly imagine to smooth things over with you.
- You have a lot to offer TWiki, including clearly: a very high standard of technical knowledge, a lot of time spent on TWiki, willingness to help others.
- Your style does hurt your case as you are often quick to antagonise others.
- In that case does anyone mind if I refactor UsabilityIdeas into a table and make it editable with EditTablePlugin? -- SH
-
IdeasToPlace? exists so that newcomers can immediately start making contributions. ... Most wikis, ... develop social norms, rules of behavior. That way they don't step on each other's toes a lot. That's also good- every community needs these kinds of things.
But what frequently happens is that newcomers can't make contributions without learning all of these rules. Where once, anything was immediately accepted, there is a lot of disconmfort with new ideas. ... There's a tension there. Newcomers are told, "You've got to learn how this works, before you can contribute anything." It's a problem.
That's why IdeasToPlace? exist: To keep an open door to new ideas and new people.
We have not seen you here for a long time.
-- PeterThoeny - 12 Feb 2004
I am not sure if this is a bug or some common mistake: on my development site (Beta release 2004) I can't override my Web's preferences in my own user topic. As a test I changed the WEBBGCOLOR, but it only changes in Edit and Preview mode (and raw=on mode!), not in normal view mode. Here on twiki.org it just works ok.
- I could not find the problem, so I installed twiki beta again. Now I see that when I view topics, I am recognized as guest, so I see all TWikiGuest settings, and only on edit I am recognized as me and I see my color settings. This must be working differently on twiki.org...
- What you're missing is the
$doRememberRemoteUsersetting or a session-managing plugin, either of which will maintain your username even for scripts that do not require authentication. If you would rather require a user account to view topics, then you would need to set/distribute the password for TWikiGuest (I think it's "guest" by default/so people can register), and addviewto the scripts that haverequire valid-userin .htaccess. This would result in the browser sending the username and password with all view requests, so TWiki knows who is making them. -- WM 14 Feb 2004
- What you're missing is the
- Hey guys, I've just created a new plugin called EditInTablePlugin in response to a few of my users frustrations with aligning bars and locating cells when editing tables.
- The plugin renders the tables as a grid of text edit boxes which are easy to edit and then save the table
- It doesn't require any modifications to TWiki tables to work.
- I'm considering enhancing it so it aligns the table bars for easy text editing.
- Please let me know what you think 8)
- Stagnate is probably the right word - PTh
| Full text search | |
|---|---|
| Wikipedia | 1.0 s |
| MoinMoin | 9.6 s |
| PhpWiki | 2.5 s |
| UseModWiki | 45.0 s |
| TWiki | - |
| Name | MediaWiki | MoinMoin | PhpWiki | TWiki | UseModWiki |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Languages | more than 20 | 8 | 7 | English | 18 |
| Technical documentation | - | ++ | - | ++ | O |
| User documentation | O | + | + | + | - |
| Functions | + | + | O | ++ | + |
| Ease of use | ++ | ++ | + | -- | O |
| Scalability | ++ | - | + | - | - |
| ++ very good, + good, O suffices, - bad, -- very bad | |||||
- Ease of use to change settings in topics and not on the webserver
- Multiple webs, on larger installations (but see also below)
- Authorisation control
- Options that plugins provide
- Multiple webs is very confusing at the beginning
- Standard design: a lot of accolades and vague navigation terms like 'Ref-By', 'Diffs' and 'Attach'
- CamelCase syntax
- Because of the versatility and expansability developers and users need much more time than with other wikis (note the discrepancy between this and the expansability score in the table above)
- Simplify the shipped configuration (reduce # of shipped webs)
- Replace the default skin with a signifcantly more firendly one (eg PatternSkin? )
- Link phrases
- I think that expansability and scalability are meant to be the same. But maybe I am wrong. -- ArthurClemens - 26 Feb 2004
). Although it is not going as fast as I would like, I am commited to the job. Next week I will have some more templates ready.
-- ArthurClemens - 26 Feb 2004
Arthur - to make this easier for people to manage and to understand, can you make yourself the "owner" of the usability changes that are to go into CairoRelease, by setting the AssignedToCore: to you, and the ScheduledFor: to CairoRelease?
that way we know what is intended to be done, and can better help out.
for example: in AttachmentLogicFlawed it appears that you think this should get actioned, but i'm not sure who is going to co-ordinate the work..
- Aha, I thought that 'assigned to' meant 'executing the code changes'. Of course I am willing to take on a coordinator role, although its hard for me to review perl code. I will see what I can take on. -- AC - 27 Feb 2004
- I am working on this, but I would hardly call it simplification... Perhaps more structured. -- AC - 27 Feb 2004
- Ok, I am awaiting your feedback / experiences! This thing definitely needs testing. -- AC - 27 Feb 2004
- Moved message (gmtime?): Plugins.PatternSkinDev moved from Codev.PatternSkin on gmtime by PeterThoeny - put it back
- Edit screen (104?): -- [[Main.ArthurClemens#08Apr104][AC]]
I think the CodevCommunity and the CoreTeam agrees, we are glad to have you on board!
-- PeterThoeny - 15 Apr 2004
I noticed Groklaw is opening a new section called GrokDocs which is to be entirly seperate from the legal aspect of Open source, and focus on Usability. Looks like they want to provide a wiki (of some kind) that will facilitate a freeform place to post usability studies on all things linux.
Looks like a perfect chance to get the good TWiki name on (powered by?) what will nodoubt quickly become a high profile site.
I was thinking if the core team could put together a proposal of sorts to groklaw about using TWiki, listing some of the reasons why "we" might be chosen for such a project, it might just show the inititave they are looking for and put any decisions they are about to make "over the top" so to say. If such a pitch is made to the groksters, you could also mention that I am willing to help maintain it (for what its worth) and am also willing to spend some time helping them settle into the software as the are getting started.
See also THIS SlashDot article, aswell.
Just a thought.
I should also say that I think decisions will be made rapidly on this, so it might be good if we could move on this ASAP. Let me know if you decide to put something forward.
-- TravisBarker - 19 Apr 2004
| Thank you to those who been pitching in to help me with some much needed refactoring around here! |
-- PeterThoeny - 20 Apr 2004
I've had a try at refactoring UsabilityIdeas in RefactorUsabilityIdeas. I'd appreciate feedback. Is it worth completing this? (feedback in RefactorUsabilityIdeas)
-- SamHasler - 21 Apr 2004
With proud I can announce the birth of a new project I've worked on (as interaction designer this time): www.annefrank.org.
-- ArthurClemens - 26 Apr 2004
I would like to submit request to irc.freenode.net for #twiki to become an official channel for TWiki Dev and realtime Support and Discussion. doing so would allow the Dev team who frequent IRC to use a custom host maks reflecting our involvement with the TWiki project (name@developerPLEASENOSPAM.twiki or name@core_teamPLEASENOSPAM.twiki etc) to those seeking help or discussion.
PTh: please see TWikiIRC#IrcCloak as I would need your approval for this.
-- TravisBarker - 01 May 2004
Visit TWikiHeart if you would like to recognize extra work done by a TWikiCommunity member.
-- PeterThoeny - 02 May 2004
I've documented my experiences of extracting data from TWiki topics into a SQL database over in ExtractingTopicDataToADatabase. I did this so I can write more complicated searches than %SEARCH{...}% allows, and because some of the data in TWiki is used as input to external applications, and I needed an easy way of getting at it from outside of TWiki itself.
-- AlanBurlison - 20 May 2004
Equi4 has a cool all-in-one wiki. It supports attachments and other interesting things like database storage and it's own httpd server and the whole thing is self hosted inside a single executable file. The whole package is called a Wikit. Back when I was trying to choose which wiki platform to choose, Wikit very nearly won out over twiki. http://equi4.com/wikit.html (local ref: MetaKit)
You're probably wondering what brought this non-sequitur about; the new EditorDaemonAddOn uses tclkit from equi4. this comment was originally posted there.
-- MattWilkie - 21 May 2004
ArthurClemens, in answer to your question at the top of the page you can't modify attachment tables unless someone applies TemplatesForMetaDataPresentation.
-- CrawfordCurrie - 23 May 2004
In the meantime I have created a custom solution by: - adding a extra column in Attach.pm
- adding a dropdown box in attach.tmpl
- appending the value from the dropdown box to the comment field using a separator. You won't see the separator, because with view the comment string is split up in 2 using the separator
- Congratulations Matt! Enjoy the new little life! -- Arthur
- Hey Matt, congrats! The human brain develops most in the first 12 month of life, make sure to give the baby the chance to learn different sounds, lights, animals, people... And thank you very much for being so supportive to our community -- Peter
- Congrats Matt! Sounds to me like you have some very interesting days ahead of you. -- TB
Subscribe if you want to know what the other developers are doing without having to do a cvs update or browse through the cvs-web.
-- MattWilkie - 22 Jun 2004
Yet another converted! The java.net wiki (http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Main/WebHome) is using TWiki.
-- RafaelAlvarez - 28 Jun 2004
i just deleted an instance of wiki-spam in TWiki.WebSearch. The last author was an invalid account. How can that happen?
-- MattWilkie - 04 Jul 2004
User was created and subsequently "deleted". See Trash.GertQasw
-- CrawfordCurrie - 05 Jul 2004
In the last 4 weeks I could not spend so much time on TWiki. Now I am back from my trip to Japan and Hong Kong. We had some unusual food in a Minshuku, an old style Japanese hotel: Roasted grasshoppers and raw horse meat.
This month I will spend time to get Cairo ready to be released.
On "deleted users": To keep the TWiki.org site clean, I remove daily bogus registrations.
-- PeterThoeny - 05 Jul 2004
Horse meat? Yuck. The grasshoppers look delicious. Honey roasted?
-- CrawfordCurrie - 06 Jul 2004
"Until yesterday morning the word “wiki” made me feel nauseous." - Wiki epiphany by Jonathon Delacour.
-- ArthurClemens - 18 Jul 2004
If people wonder where I've been hanging out the past few months: - Working on a twiki bases extranet for my day job
- Creating and releasing VisDoc in the spare time I had left
- Arthur - I think that you have a configuration problem, as i've been testing the alpha (see http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/twikicvs/bin/view/Codev/RenameTopicDoesMainMainUser for a live eg) -SD
- How? The file data looks ok to me: %META:FILEATTACHMENT{name="burst-dl-2.gif" attr="" comment="" date="1090717008" path="burst-dl-2.gif" size="311" user="ArthurClemens" version="1.1"}% -- AC
- Going back to TWiki20040507beta solves the problem: I get to see my attachment table again. So something happened between 2 months ago and now
- Arthur - do me a favour and email me the .txt / attach it somewhere here? - sven
- It turned out I didn't copy the attachtables.tmpl. Works now. Thanks Sven.
- ah yes, now i'm going to pretend that i remeber that :). Thanks -- SD
%TABLE{sort="on" initsort="2" initdirection="up"}% | *Topic* | *Last Modified* | *Last Editor* | %SEARCH{"guest" nosearch="on" nototal="on" web="Codev, Support, TWiki, Plugins, Sandbox" format="|[[$web.$topic]]|$date|$wikiusername|" }%
List only the webs of interest, and avoid the Main web because it is slow.
- I wonder why BenoitFauvel was searching for topics modified my me? -- MartinGregory - 29 Jul 2004
- It's just the variable %USERNAME% in there. So each person that logs in gets to see his/hers own name -- ArthurClemens - 29 Jul 2004
- It's just the variable %USERNAME% in there. So each person that logs in gets to see his/hers own name
-- PeterThoeny - 27 Jul 2004
TWiki.org is now upgraded to the latest Alpha code from SVN. Please kick the tires. We have now direct save, that is great
I could not yet create the new Beta. Is currently more time consuming because we are between server moves. Tomorrow...
I had to disable the CommentPlugin for now, possibly an upgrade miss on my side. Debug tomorrow...
-- PeterThoeny - 28 Jul 2004
Those who want to test PatternSkin, copy this to your user topic? : -
- #Set TWIKILAYOUTURL = %PUBURL%/%TWIKIWEB%/PatternSkin/layout.css
- #Set TWIKISTYLEURL = %PUBURL%/%TWIKIWEB%/PatternSkin/style.css
- #Set SKIN = pattern
- I have the same settings as you, so I can't see what could be wrong. You could test the %SKIN% variable value. Here, it is: tagme,twikiorg,pattern. -- ArthurClemens - 31 Jul 2004
- Yes, but twiki.pattern.tmpl does not seem to be there (looking in the source). -- ArthurClemens - 01 Aug 2004
- Not for the distro, only TWiki.org should have it also in the Main web (pending). This is because of the extra message. -- PTh
TWiki.org is just updated to the latest Alpha from SVN.
-- PeterThoeny - 04 Aug 2004
A Norwegian news service (digi.no) says Gartner just published a report on the most important new emerging technologies, and sorted them by current and potential importance.
I know not many of you read norwegian, but there's a figure from the report (with annotations in english) at the page which is rather interesting by itself. It mentions Wikis as "up and coming" in the next few years.
I don't have access to the full "hype cycle" report from Gartner - but I'm sure this is a pointer (yet another) that Wikis might be in the "sweet spot" soon
Direct link to article: http://www.digi.no/php/art.php?id=107447.
Gartner "hype cycles" link: http://www4.gartner.com/hc/asset_50595.jsp.
-- SteffenPoulsen - 06 Aug 2004
TWiki.org is again just updated to the latest Alpha from SVN.
-- PeterThoeny - 07 Aug 2004
UpgradeTWiki is basically ready for use - I don't think I'll do anything else to it except bug fixes.
It'd be nice if someone tested it (ideally prior to Cairo Release )
-- MartinGregory - 08 Aug 2004
Just reinstalled CommentPlugin on TWiki.org, see details in CommentPluginDev. I plan to take this version into CairoRelease.
Just release TWikiBetaRelease2004x07x30, the last one before the Cairo production release.
-- PeterThoeny - 07 Aug 2004
I upgraded a Beijing TWiki using the UpgradeTWiki version packaged up with this beta, and all went well, bar some
minor aesthetics.
I have tidied up some aesthetics and uploaded a new verison.
-- MartinGregory - 08 Aug 200
Help needed:
As part on the Cairo release preparation, I contacted some companies and asked to contribute a sentence or two for the TWiki press release on how TWiki helps employees work together better. It would be great to get a testimonial from someone in VP level at a well known company. So far no luck. Any help in this field is greatly appreciated. See previous example at TWikiAdvocacy01Feb2003#Press_Release
-- PeterThoeny - 08 Aug 2004
The Gartner report certainly describes a very possible scenario, repeating history in high tech.
We are on the right track, and this is music to my ears. The key is to offer nicely packaged TWikiApplications as AddOnPackages. Possibly with a rating system identifying the winner applications.
-- PeterThoeny - 11 Aug 2004
Check out the nice testimonial from Yahoo!
-- PeterThoeny - 12 Aug 2004
OK, I just created one more Beta to test out UpgradeTWiki, see http://TWiki.org/release/TWiki20040816beta.zip. This beta is silent, not widely announced. It is the production release minus updates to TWikiHistory and TWikiUpgradeGuide (unless we find new bugs).
I am still looking for a good testimonial for the TWiki press release from a well known company, stating how TWiki helps employees work together better. Any help in this area is appreciated.
I am working day and night for the last few weeks. If you would like to get this release out soon you can help: In order to compile the TWikiHistory change log we need to get accurate descriptions of CairoRelease features/bugs/patches listed in CairoReleaseSummary.
-- PeterThoeny - 17 Aug 2004
One more (at least) update of UpgradeTWiki will be required.
- It's done... it would be nice if someone would test it, but as far as I can tell it works. -- MartinGregory - 19 Aug 2004
- It won't match empty progress fields either. Would \".{0,3}\" work? -- SamHasler - 19 Aug 2004
- Yeah, if empty progress fields are allowed (and there seem to be fair number of such topics from looking at things scheduled for Dakar), then that'll probably work. -- ClaussStrauch - 20 Aug 2004
![D]ocProgress.*value\=\".*100%.*\" which is a much better catch all. See ReleaseDocsToDo to see what it would pick up for Dakar.
They all use a %!RELEASETABLE% variable which is also used by ReleaseFeatureTable. Perhaps this should be renamed %!CURRENTRELEASE% and defined in TWikiPreferences for ease of update.
-- SamHasler - 20 Aug 2004
Hey Folks -- I'm in the process of getting TWiki adopted in a small software development team of 5-10 folks. It seems that we need a guidebook of sorts to think about collaboration and communication in a new way. I understand "The Wiki Way" by Ward Cunningham and co-author, comes recommended. Are there any other books out there on wiki, or just books on collaboration in general? I would especially like to know of any non-wiki-specific collaboration guidebooks out there. Maybe just a good all-around business book on getting your team to collaborate and communicate more effectively.
Ideas?
-- GaleStafford 24 Aug 2004
- Wiki-books are scarce, to my knowledge there is none except Leuf/Cunningham. Mark Guzdial of Georgia Tech University has written some papers dealing with CoWeb which is a wiki they use in teaching. See for example Andreas Dieberger and Mark Guzdial: CoWeb - Experiences with Collaborative Web Spaces. In: Christopher Lueg and Danyel Fisher (Eds.): From Usenet to CoWebs: Interacting with Social Information Spaces. Springer: 2003. p. 155-166.
- There's heaps of literature on CSCW or CSCL (Computer-Supported Collaborative Working/Writing/Learning) and collaborative writing. Some examples:
- Ede, Lisa and Lunsford, Andrea: Singular Texts/Plural Authors: Perspectives on collaborative writing. Southern Illinois UP, 1990.
- Rodriguez, Henrry: Using the WWW as infrastructure for collaborative production of documents . Licentiate Thesis. Stockholm: KTH Royal Institute of Technology, 2001. http://www.nada.kth.se/utbildning/forsk.utb/avhandlingar/lic/010607.pdf
- Publications by Mike Sharples, Rachel Rimmershaw.
- There are probably even bigger heaps of sociological literature but I don't know about the English "scene" in this field.
- Maybe the books by Owen Harrison on OpenSpace Technology could be helpful, too.
testenvt is exactly what I missed in my release of TWiki (which I downloaded just a few days before the 01-Sep-2004 version was released). Thanks.
-- DanielKabs - 10 Sep 2004
I've made a proposal for a new form and classification system in PostCairoDevelopmentModel#Proposed_new_Form_and_Classifica, any feedback would be appreciated.
-- SamHasler - 12 Sep 2004
just a quick note, sourceforge has run out of space on it's temp volume again. Although when you save a twiki.org topic there is an error message, what you write is saved what is not saved however is the revision history.
-- MattWilkie - 17 Sep 2004
I filed a support request two days ago, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1028680&group_id=1&atid=200001
To keep the page history consistent: Please retry to save the page in case you encounter the "No space left on device" error. SF has 5 load balanced servers, after one or two retries you should get a web server that works.
-- PeterThoeny - 17 Sep 2004
Have moved the personal webleftbar up the codev webleftbar - please say if you don't like it.
Also have added a link to TWikiIRC as I read this: http://koala.ilog.fr/twikiirc/bin/irclogger_log/twiki?date=2004-09-17,Fri&sel=151#l147
-- MartinCleaver - 20 Sep 2004
Something strange has happened to the default setup for when users log into a newly configured TWiki.
I followed the instructions for a htpasswd TWikiRegistrationPub? setup with Cairo-out-of-the-box, and when I went to edit a page (before registering) I got a prompt to login that contained a broken sentence. It appears that some words "bump into" the text in $authRealm in a bad way.
Then, when I hit cancel, I was not taking to TWikiRegistrationPub? , I was sent to apache's "sorry, you didn't succeed in authenticating" page.
Both these seem like backwards steps since Beijing. I haven't had a chance to track them down: maybe someone else "just knows" how all that's supposed to work!?
-- MartinGregory - 22 Sep 2004
I've just confirmed that the default $authRealm doesn't take into account the fact that Apache already says "Enter your name and password for". This needs to be fixed in the distsro TWiki.cfg. (I guess I should file a bug or somefink)
-- MartinGregory - 22 Sep 2004
Sounds like a candidate for a BugReport
-- PeterThoeny - 23 Sep 2004
Ugh. I wonder if someone here can advise (everyone on TWikiIRC, where these comments are copied from, is away on holidays at the moment)...
GreenAsJade? I just installed a new twiki on my linux machine that serves my webpages
GreenAsJade? Now I'm getting messages like this in my apache log:
GreenAsJade? [Thu Sep 23 20:12:05 2004] [error] [client 66.249.66.210] script not found or unable to stat /opt/lampp/htdocs/twiki/bin/rdiff.pl
GreenAsJade?