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Feature Proposal: Do not use self-closing P tag for a blank line


TwistyPlugin fails to work on Firefox and Google Chrome (and probably other WebKit based browsers) under certain circumstances.

Description and Documentation

This is to propose to put <p></p> instead of <p /> for a blank line in TML (TWiki Markup Language). This is because a <p /> messes up DOM structure and makes TwistyPlugin not work.

A self-closing tag like <p/> is valid in XHTML and TWiki generates HTML pages declaring XHTML. However, Firefox, IE 9, Chrome doesn't recognize a page is in XHTML unless the page's content type is text/xml or application/xml, which is not the case on TWiki.

Consequently, <p/ > is recognized as unclosed <p>, and those browsers handle it in a way you don't expect. When we insert a blank line before a twisty control, twisty control doesn't work because its DOM structure is messed up by that unclosed P tag.


The following reproduces the symptom.

---++ leave an empty line before twisty control

<div>This twisty control doesn't work.</div>

leave an empty line before twisty control

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This twisty control doesn't work.

On Firefox, IE 9, Google Chrome, you find the twisty control doesn't work unless you remove the blank line above it or replace the blank line with <P></P>.



-- Contributors: Yaojun Fei - 2013-03-22


Isn't the reason for the not working TWISTY due to block elements vs inline elements? Your example has a div, e.g. you have to specify block mode: %TWISTY{ mode="div" }%. See details in TwistyPlugin.


This twisty control works now due to mode="div" parameter.

It is easy to miss this detail. That is why I proposed NewAutoModeForTwisty. It just needs to be implemented.

-- Peter Thoeny - 2013-03-23

Thank you for your correction, Peter. AutoMode proposal makes more sense. Let's close this one.

-- Yaojun Fei - 2013-03-25

Agreed. For now I updated the TwistyPlugin to point out the "gotcha".

-- Peter Thoeny - 2013-03-25

We have seen some issues/complaints after upgrading about 30 webs (out of 4000 webs pending!), where there have been a lot of TWISTY used for block parts without mode="div".

There are two reasons: (1) we have fixed <p /> tags locally and supported it for years, and (2) TWISTY has worked with IE8 or older without problems. For us, the easiest fix seems to be to convert <p /> into <p></p> which is equally valid XHTML.

As a bonus, it would fix a minor semantics issue where <p /> is misinterpreted by browsers. (Looks like <p /> is misinterpreted as an opening tag if Content-Type is text/html, despite twiki's intention.)

For example, if you write:

line 1

line 2

line 3

line2 and line3 are unexpectedly inside <p> tags while line1 is not, which may have some stylesheet impact.

How does it sound to convert <p /> tags?

-- Mahiro Ando - 2013-04-10

I do not see an issue in converting self closing p tags into proper paragraphs. Needs to be tested well, such as p tag before/after a block element, bullet, table, etc.

However, I do not understand how this fixes the twisty issue. A twisty that spans multiple blocks has to be of type div in order to get valid XHTML. So, I think the intelligent NewAutoModeForTwisty is a proper fix.

-- Peter Thoeny - 2013-04-10

Thanks Peter for the comment. I thought mode="auto" was something we needed to add explicitly (to our thousands of topics), but never mind - it will be the default, which will solve the problem in a better way. (Just to clarify, <p></p> would certainly make twisty appear to work, but probably in a non-XHTML-compliant way, as you mention.) Now I don't think we need to modify <p /> just for twisty.

It seems you are the committed developer for NewAutoModeForTwisty, but it was updated more than a year ago. Are you still willing to implement it, or would you like to hand it over to us? We'd like to have the feature soon, if that is possible.

-- Mahiro Ando - 2013-04-10

I have so many pending things, and am falling behind on the important TWikiAppInstaller feature. By all means, please take ownership of NewAutoModeForTwisty.

-- Peter Thoeny - 2013-04-10

Sounds great. I have updated NewAutoModeForTwisty and will work on the implementation.

-- Mahiro Ando - 2013-04-10

This issue is revisited on OpenAndClosePTags.

-- Hideyo Imazu - 2013-07-05

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