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When I installed Mandrake 8.2 I ran into some problems with Konqueror 2.2.2, so I've started to experiment with Galeon and Mozilla.

My initial impressions of Mozilla:

  • Seems (somehow) a little more polished than Galeon (and Konqueror??).
  • (Same complaint as for Galeon:) I don't like the height of the address bar -- it should be shorter (narrower), and I'd rather have it combined with the menu bar so I can minimize the number of toolbars displayed. (I really have very little use for the Back, Forward, Reload, ... buttons -- I do back and forward (in other browsers, anyway) with <alt> arrow shortcuts or with the right click context menu.
  • Don't see any need (for me) for the toolbar with Webmail, Calendar, Radio, etc. -- I plan to remove it (when I figure out how).
  • The little widgets with a down arrow at the left end of each toolbar which "shrink" the toolbar are interesting, but even in the shrunk position, the toolbars use more screen real estate than I want to give up. The fact that if you shrink more than one toolbar, they all shrink into the same horizontal "slot" helps, but I still want to make the toolbar disappear entirely. It looks like the widget can be helpful as a quick way to temporarily gain screen real estate.
  • (Similar comment as for Galeon) I fooled around a little bit with the fonts and font sizes -- actually, I did more fooling around in Konqueror before I tried Mozilla, and I suspect some of the font settings I made elsewhere affected what I see in Mozilla. Bottom line, doesn't look bad, but, like I tried to imply -- if I saw the "real" initial defaults of Mozilla, I might be disappointed.
  • (This comment should be added to my impressions of Galeon (after I confirm the real situation)) Mozilla (or Galeon, or both) have a feature that Konqueror doesn't have which I consider very important -- the ability to override the site colors with colors of my own choice -- I set it to use black text on a white background which helps readability immensely. I would like to have some improvement in this feature -- in IE it's rather a pain to change it, not sure yet how easy it is here. Would be nice to have a keyboard shortcut or icon to quickly switch it -- then I could normally browse using the site colors, and quickly switch to black text on white when I can't read a site. (Also, it would be nice to have more control -- I might find it easier on my eyes to choose black text on an ivory background or something similar -- Galeon and/or Mozilla might actually allow that -- I'll have to look more closely.)
  • (Same complaint as for Galeon, which shouldn't be surprising, as I think they both use the same "engine") There's also something odd about the insertion point and its behavior near the bottom of a "textarea". When I first edit a page, and try to position the insertion point after the second last line ("Page Ratings" (which should be the last line, beside the point, I think), clicking in the vicinity of those lines but to the right positions the cursor at either the end of the last line or third last line -- I have to very deliberately position the cursor "precisely" at the end of the second last line and click there to get the insertion point positioned there. After I accomplish this the first time, the problem is gone (I'll have to try it when I re-edit a page). Update: Ok, after doing some typing up here, I went down to the bottom and tried this again -- back to a similar problem, although now it seems like I have trouble with a different line (4th from the bottom). Wierd!
  • (Same as for Galeon) Uses <ctrl>r instead of <F5> as the shortcut key for "reload". (At least once, in either Mozilla or Galeon -- forget which, I had to press the <enter> key after pressing <ctrl>r in order for the command to "take".
  • (Check Galeon -- might have same problem) <ctrl>a does not "select all". By accident, I found that <alt>a does.
  • Behavior of cursor (insertion point) in a text area (occurs on TWiki and the new Yahoo mail interface) -- occasionally (often while cutting and pasting, sometimes while scrolling to a new location to enter text (type)) the insertion point moves to a "random location" and whatever you planned to insert appears there instead of where you had scrolled to. (I need to get more precise -- I know I usually have the mouse cursor where I want it, not sure whether I've typically forced the insertion point to be there as well, or exactly when the problem occurs.)
  • RFE: (Others of the above might qualify as RFEs as well): When you try to load a page (for example, left click on a link, and choose "Load in new tab" -- if the link doesn't work (times out, whatever) there is no clue (on that tab) as to what page you tried to load (if there was, you could attempt to reload it -- something that I have to do fairly often with my dial up connection). I think I would prefer that the address be shown in the browser address bar -- the tab can continue to say "loading", or "failed" or "timed out" or whatever.
  • RFE: When you ask for a number of pages to be loaded on a new tab, the new tab shows up on the far right. When you close a tabbed window, the next viewed window is the tab to the left of the tab you just closed. For my habits, it would be nice if it moved to the tab to the right of the tab I just closed (if there is none, i.e., only one window remaining, display that. The advantage of this is that I can (easily) read windows in the same order I ask them to be loaded. I.e., if I have a list of links I want to view, I load the first one in a tab, then the next, then the next (and don't read them immediately as they take some time to load over my dial up). After I request a series of these pages, I could move to the first tab, just to the right of the window I selected the links from. When I finish reading (or working in) that window, I close it, and automatically move to the next link in order. Possibly others prefer the current behavior, so perhaps there should be a user settable selection -- move to tab on the right or move to tab on the left when a tab is closed.
  • scrolling after a popup -- Mozilla has a nice feature in that if you click on the elevator and hold it, you can scroll up and down without aiming carefully -- i.e., you can move the mouse left or right off the elevator and continue to scroll. This is good! Sometimes though, (and I haven't pinpointed what triggers it -- but it sometimes occurs after a popup of some sort has appeared over the page and you've closed it), the behavior is "locked on" -- moving the mouse scrolls the page up and down even though you are not holding the button
  • disable popups (make them all popunder) -- RFE: It would be nice to have an option that all popups from a web site popup on (or popunder?) the relevant window, not on the current window -- maybe need several options. ("Popups" from Mozilla relevant to the current page (bad example: the search dialog) should appear on the current window.
  • status indicator of loading (red / green) perhaps with a list of all loads (saves) being requested: Quite often I have 5 to 25 pages being loaded or saved -- especially for the pages being saved, I'd like to have a quick glance indication that all are saved (like before I switch to another computer with my KVM switch -- or when I switch back briefly to check). What I'd really like to see may be tough to do in Mozilla -- TWiki has a two step save process -- first you click Preview, then on the Preview page you click Save. When the Save (view) page is fully loaded, you have completed a save cycle -- that's when I'd like the indication of "all OK". Don't immediately have an idea on how Mozilla could do that (but I won't concede that it's not possible or reasonable to do -- maybe it will need a hook from TWiki).
  • MDI/SDI behavior (problem) -- I don't know how to open an independent instance of Mozilla. Background: I open a lot of Mozilla windows, and most of those have several tabs open within them. Maybe up to 16 windows and 40 or more total tabs. Problem: I've had two occasions where one Mozilla window "crashed", and on both occasions, all the Mozilla windows disappeared. Request: I'd like an alternative -- I'd like to be able to create independent instances of Mozilla so that when one crashes the others do not. (Now someone will tell me how much memory Mozilla uses per independant instance, which will save me the trouble of figuring it out or looking for it.)

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