Thanks, Peter, I'll look at these. When I was initially researching which wiki I wanted to use in 2008, I decided on twiki because of its use of simple text files with rcs and perl. I believe in the power of elementary solutions like that. I like being able to view and edit all the underlying system files. yep, simplicity is good There was/is an open source backups program called amanda. I liked it for the same reason, simple text files comprising the system, so recovery was possible if the server bit the dust. You could still get your data back. hi so i just downloaded twiki now what do i do?