Date: January 4, 2010 11:00:30 AM PST Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2010x01x04.txt [10:03am] herbivore:hi [10:03am] peterthoeny:hi horst and sopan [10:03am] peterthoeny:happy new year! [10:04am] herbivore:happy new year! [10:05am] peterthoeny:ein gutes neues jahr [10:05am] peterthoeny:gut gerutscht? [10:06am] SopanShewale:Hi Peter, Hi Horst [10:06am] SopanShewale:good morning and happy 2010 [10:06am] herbivore:ja, alles gut überstanden incompatible encoding [10:06am] peterthoeny:we had some good skiing in nevada [10:07am] SopanShewale:ah... you mean - yes, well everything? supernatant [10:07am] peterthoeny:i have to buy new glasses though [10:07am] peterthoeny:broke mine while doing high jumps [10:08am] SopanShewale:Peter - you had an accident during sking...how are you? [10:08am] peterthoeny:i am ok [10:08am] peterthoeny:just small fracture, does not hurt [10:08am] peterthoeny:visible wound is healed, so back to normal [10:09am] SopanShewale:fracture where? nose? [10:09am] peterthoeny:tiny one on nose [10:09am] SopanShewale:hmm.... nose is very delicate and important part of the body [10:10am] SopanShewale:and it defines the "look" of face [10:10am] SopanShewale:good to know it was not big accident [10:11am] peterthoeny:for a day i had a big ugly swollen nose [10:11am] SopanShewale:no images on facebook [10:11am] peterthoeny:time check: +11 min [10:11am] peterthoeny:shall we start? [10:11am] herbivore:yes [10:11am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2010x01x04 [10:11am] You changed the topic to "http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2010x01x04". [10:11am] peterthoeny:proposed agenda: [10:11am] peterthoeny:# 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release [10:11am] peterthoeny:# 2. Review Urgent Bugs [10:11am] peterthoeny:# 3. Miscellaneous [10:11am] peterthoeny:anything to add? [10:12am] herbivore:no [10:12am] peterthoeny:---++ 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release [10:12am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals [10:12am] peterthoeny:i finished TWikiDocGraphicsInMainWeb [10:13am] peterthoeny:turned out to be a bigger prj [10:13am] SopanShewale:saw checkins from you during year end [10:13am] peterthoeny:now it is more intuitive [10:13am] SopanShewale:gr8 [10:13am] peterthoeny:since icons can be defined in more than one place i added a "all icons at a glance" report to the TWikiDocGraphicsInMainWeb page [10:14am] peterthoeny:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics#All_icons_at_a_glance [10:15am] peterthoeny:sopan, when you find time, please define spec of SessionManagement [10:16am] peterthoeny:herbivore: i still owe you a response to your email [10:16am] peterthoeny:i will do this week [10:17am] herbivore:ok, thanks [10:17am] peterthoeny:any other features we should highlight? [10:17am] SopanShewal1 joined the chat room. [10:18am] SopanShewal1:(hi..i am back, issue with connectivity) [10:18am] peterthoeny:what was the last you saw? [10:18am] SopanShewale left the chat room. (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [10:19am] peterthoeny:sopan, can you see this? [10:19am] SopanShewal1:the link you posted [10:19am] SopanShewal1:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics#All_icons_at_a_glance [10:20am] peterthoeny:i added this: [10:20am] peterthoeny:sopan, when you find time, please define spec of SessionManagement [10:20am] SopanShewal1:ah.. ok [10:20am] peterthoeny:any other features we should highlight? [10:20am] SopanShewal1:I have spent some time during year end on trunk branch [10:20am] SopanShewal1:sessionmanagement -may not be required [10:20am] peterthoeny:ah, ok [10:20am] peterthoeny:that is good news [10:21am] SopanShewal1:but more work required on some core modules [10:21am] peterthoeny:btw, there are no more unit test faiure emails [10:21am] SopanShewal1:yes [10:21am] peterthoeny:last one on 12/21 i think [10:21am] peterthoeny:is something broken, or are all unit tests ok now? [10:22am] SopanShewal1:many test cases fail..thats because of crypttoken [10:22am] peterthoeny:(not that i miss those repeated emails) [10:22am] SopanShewal1:and post/get request requirement [10:22am] SopanShewal1:i am yet to figure out -why %CRYTTOKEN% is not expanding [10:22am] peterthoeny:did you turn off emails or did it break somehow? [10:23am] SopanShewal1:any way.. we need to make some changes in modules like  TWiki::Request, TWiki::Response [10:23am] SopanShewal1:test cases run is not controlled by us [10:23am] SopanShewal1:its run by some one else [10:25am] peterthoeny:oic, that was run by sven [10:25am] SopanShewal1:the API for those modules should be more or less like other standard frameworks [10:25am] SopanShewal1:yup [10:25am] SopanShewal1:i gu [10:25am] SopanShewal1:i guess so [10:25am] peterthoeny:ok, we can add that infra later to develop.twiki.org [10:26am] peterthoeny:top of unit test email has: see ttp://distributedinformation.com/TWikiBuilds/ for output files. [10:27am] peterthoeny:i'd say for now lets focus on stabilizing trunk, adding new features, and running unit tests locally on machines [10:27am] peterthoeny:what do you think? [10:27am] peterthoeny:to recap, prio for 5.0 release as discussed in last release meeting: [10:28am] peterthoeny:  * Add 2 pugins to core (best ones TBD based in TWikiMission) [10:28am] peterthoeny:  * Update pattern skin with pulldown menus (possibly retiring the sidebar) [10:28am] peterthoeny:  * Add database backend (just for caching of meta data and key page elements (such as backlinks)) [10:28am] peterthoeny:  * Redesigned user profile pages (with photos, tabbed interface) [10:28am] peterthoeny:  * Easier install and upgrade [10:28am] peterthoeny:  * Copy some useful features from related projects [10:29am] peterthoeny:some positive news: we have more people doing checkins [10:29am] peterthoeny:https://www.ohloh.net/p/compare?metric=Contributors&project_0=TWiki [10:29am] peterthoeny:trend is good [10:29am] peterthoeny:we had a low mid 2009 [10:29am] SopanShewal1:yes.. focus is  - [1] fix current test cases (which are failing because of latest development) [2] stablize [10:29am] SopanShewal1:trunk [10:30am] SopanShewal1:and during this course - stick to what we decided in the last meeting [10:30am] peterthoeny:let's recruit some more contributors to continue that trend, e.g. grow the community [10:31am] peterthoeny:on prio, i will focus on skin with pulldown menues [10:31am] SopanShewal1:yes - i am trying for that too [10:32am] peterthoeny:on easier install and upgrade, how about a perl script that is run as root to install/upgrade twiki? [10:32am] peterthoeny:all command line based [10:32am] peterthoeny:aware of os [10:32am] SopanShewal1:Peter/Horst, i need to go offline after 15mins or so  not very comfortable today. Having cold/cough [10:33am] peterthoeny:initially only support redhat/centos, debian, ubuntu [10:33am] peterthoeny:later add windows [10:33am] SopanShewal1:sure [10:33am] peterthoeny:take care sopan [10:33am] peterthoeny:let's make a break for 15 min [10:34am] SopanShewal1:yup [10:34am] SopanShewal1:easier install/upgrade will be time consuming task Peter [10:36am] SopanShewal1:ok.. u focusing on skin/pulldown menus.. sounds good idea [10:42am] SopanShewal1:sorry Peter/Horse..need to go offline.... see you next time [10:42am] herbivore:cu [10:42am] peterthoeny:let's close the meeting early today [10:43am] peterthoeny:thanks sopan and horst for participating! [10:43am] peterthoeny:ttyl