Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2013x06x20.txt Date: June 20, 2013 4:05:15 PM PDT [2:57pm]  HideyoImazu joined the chat room. [2:59pm] PeterThoeny: hi HideyoImazu-san! [3:00pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Peter [3:00pm] PeterThoeny: got an email from michael gulitz that he is on a biz trip and can't attend [3:01pm] HideyoImazu: ok [3:01pm] PeterThoeny: what's new? [3:01pm] HideyoImazu: we started using AutoSectionsPlugin in production [3:02pm] PeterThoeny: nice! [3:02pm] PeterThoeny: we probably should add this to the default distribution [3:02pm] HideyoImazu: after several improvements, it reached a point where it should be used by broader audience [3:02pm] PeterThoeny: any plans for wysiwyg support? [3:03pm] HideyoImazu: no concrete plan [3:04pm] HideyoImazu: it shouldn't be so difficult [3:04pm] PeterThoeny: with wysiwyg support it should be a no-brainer to add to the twiki distribution [3:04pm] HideyoImazu: but it won't be so trivial either [3:04pm] HideyoImazu: as you know, we're using a custom skin [3:05pm] PeterThoeny: there is a plugin for wysiwyg textarea [3:05pm] PeterThoeny: you might be able to learn from that, not sure [3:05pm] HideyoImazu: that's good to know [3:06pm] PeterThoeny: last week i was on the road [3:06pm] PeterThoeny: 6 days, 2000 miles driving [3:06pm] PeterThoeny: wonderful time [3:06pm] HideyoImazu: you were literally on the road! [3:07pm] PeterThoeny: utah, arizona and nevada have beautiful places [3:07pm] PeterThoeny: i am still post-processing the photos [3:07pm] PeterThoeny: i uploaded some to http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterthoeny/ [3:08pm] HideyoImazu: flickr is blocked by the firm's web proxy [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: oh! [3:09pm] HideyoImazu: while this is via a 3G connection [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +9 min [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: shall we start? [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: agenda at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseMeeting2013x06x20 [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Extensions [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous [3:10pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release [3:10pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals [3:11pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: Preventing WebStatistics from growing big [3:11pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebStatisticsYYYY [3:11pm] PeterThoeny: technically accepted by 7 days rule [3:11pm] PeterThoeny: and we found consensus [3:12pm] HideyoImazu: that's right [3:12pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: Add TLS support for SMTP using Perl [3:12pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SMTPUseTLS [3:13pm] PeterThoeny: the patch is contributed, feature is accepted [3:13pm] PeterThoeny: to do for me: add to core [3:13pm] PeterThoeny: i'll do that soon [3:13pm] PeterThoeny: i have no other features to discuss [3:13pm] PeterThoeny: do you have any? [3:13pm] HideyoImazu: cool [3:14pm] HideyoImazu: no [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: and changes at [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges [3:16pm] PeterThoeny: i do not have any to discuss [3:17pm] HideyoImazu: how about Item7278 ? [3:17pm] PeterThoeny: Item7278: IF{"..." ...} bugs [3:17pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7278 [3:18pm] PeterThoeny: yes, both cases look like bugs that need to be fixed [3:19pm] PeterThoeny: did you check if bracketing helps? [3:19pm] PeterThoeny: "(0 < $ t) AND ($ t < 1000)" [3:20pm] HideyoImazu: what do you mean by bracketing? [3:20pm] PeterThoeny: and, is t defined? [3:20pm] HideyoImazu: the error occurs even if $t is defined. [3:22pm] PeterThoeny: ok, bug [3:22pm] HideyoImazu: bracketing doesn't help either [3:24pm] PeterThoeny: i added some more tests [3:25pm] PeterThoeny: issue is not the AND or the brackets [3:25pm] PeterThoeny: issue is the compare to $ t [3:26pm] HideyoImazu: what about "-1 > 0" ? [3:26pm] PeterThoeny: i see it is even in the examples: [3:26pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/IfStatements#Examples [3:27pm] HideyoImazu: that's right [3:29pm] PeterThoeny: all comparisons seem to fail to false [3:29pm] PeterThoeny: more examples at http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7278 [3:32pm] PeterThoeny: found out the cause on the $ t [3:32pm] PeterThoeny: reload the bug page [3:32pm] PeterThoeny: $ t does not work, but $ tt and $ tty do work [3:32pm] PeterThoeny: so single char variable does not work [3:33pm] HideyoImazu: the behavior seems to be the same on twiki.org [3:33pm] PeterThoeny: yes [3:33pm] PeterThoeny: seems an old bug just discovered now [3:34pm] PeterThoeny: workaround: use more than one char variable names [3:34pm] HideyoImazu: what about "0 > -1" ? [3:35pm] HideyoImazu: workaround: %CALCULATE{...}% ? [3:37pm] PeterThoeny: looks like the parser strips minus (-) sign? [3:37pm] PeterThoeny: reload the bug page [3:37pm] PeterThoeny: yes, you always can use the CALCULATE [3:37pm] PeterThoeny: as a replacement [3:40pm] HideyoImazu: ? [3:40pm] HideyoImazu: just checked connectivity [3:40pm] PeterThoeny: oops, there seems to be an issue with the SSP as well? [3:41pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SpreadSheetPlugin?func=%24IF%28-1+%3E+0%2C+true%2C+false%29 [3:42pm] HideyoImazu: ooh [3:44pm] PeterThoeny: let me look into th spreadsheet issue [3:44pm] PeterThoeny: let;s move on [3:44pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Extensions [3:44pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges [3:45pm] PeterThoeny: TWikiDrawSvgPlugin Discussions [3:45pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TWikiDrawSvgPluginDev [3:45pm] PeterThoeny: i got an e-mail request for a svg-edit plugin for twiki, similar to the svg-edit extension for mediawiki [3:46pm] PeterThoeny: i can do this if they have a budget [3:46pm] PeterThoeny: i can't work for free anymore... [3:48pm] PeterThoeny: any extension you'd like to cover? [3:48pm] HideyoImazu: it looks neat. [3:48pm] HideyoImazu: no [3:48pm] PeterThoeny: the twikidrawplugin is very old, ui and functionality is not so good [3:49pm] HideyoImazu: agreed. [3:49pm] PeterThoeny: the svg-edit is a javascript based sag editor [3:49pm] PeterThoeny: very modern [3:49pm] PeterThoeny: and works well [3:49pm] PeterThoeny: you can try it out at [3:49pm] PeterThoeny: http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/editor/svg-editor.html [3:49pm] HideyoImazu: Mahiro recently fixed some bugs and did some enhancements though. [3:50pm] PeterThoeny: yes, appreciated [3:50pm] HideyoImazu: The SVG editor seems to work well even on iPad. [3:52pm] PeterThoeny: nice [3:53pm] PeterThoeny: i does not work on i.e. 8 unless you install a chrome extension [3:53pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous [3:53pm] PeterThoeny: anything? [3:53pm] HideyoImazu: no [3:54pm] PeterThoeny: nothing for me either [3:56pm] PeterThoeny: ok, nice taking with you hideyo-san, ttyl [3:56pm] HideyoImazu: same here. ttyl [3:58pm]  HideyoImazu left the chat room. (Quit: Page closed)