Subject: KampalaMeetingLog2015x10x01.txt Date: October 1, 2015 3:49:57 PM PDT [3:01pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Peter [3:02pm] PeterThoeny: hi HideyoImazu -san, hi HaraldJoerg! [3:02pm] HaraldJoerg: Hi Peter! [3:02pm] PeterThoeny: what's new? [3:02pm] HaraldJoerg: Oktoberfest is about to finish this weekend, Munich on the way towards normality [3:03pm] HideyoImazu: when did it start? [3:03pm] HaraldJoerg: It started two weeks ago [3:03pm] PeterThoeny: are you now in munich? [3:04pm] HaraldJoerg: I actually am in Munich most of the time [3:04pm] HideyoImazu: sorry my ignorance but I thought Oktoberfest is held in the entire October [3:04pm] PeterThoeny: oic, somehow i though you were further north [3:04pm] HaraldJoerg: Oh - one month of Oktoberfest would be quite a challenge... [3:05pm] PeterThoeny: bring me a weisswurst next time [3:05pm] PeterThoeny: i love the weisswurst [3:05pm] PeterThoeny: (we have a good german butcher nearby) [3:05pm] HaraldJoerg: Nice [3:06pm] PeterThoeny: HideyoImazu-san: is your trip to nyc decided? [3:06pm] HideyoImazu: it's still being processed [3:06pm] HideyoImazu: not sure when I go [3:07pm] PeterThoeny: my son and i spent a few days in the desert in nevada launching rockets [3:07pm] PeterThoeny: was fun [3:07pm] PeterThoeny: there were very big rockets, up to q-size motors [3:08pm] PeterThoeny: a-size motor has the size of a small cigar [3:08pm] HideyoImazu: are you upgrading rockets launch by launch? [3:08pm] PeterThoeny: b-size has double total impulse [3:08pm] PeterThoeny: c has 4 times, etc [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: often build new ones [3:09pm] PeterThoeny: sometimes upgrade, or simply use a bigger motor [3:09pm] HideyoImazu: any chance to use liquid fuel? [3:10pm] PeterThoeny: last time we launched the 9 feet tall rocket with a j motor [3:10pm] PeterThoeny: went 1800 feet [3:10pm] PeterThoeny: this time the same rocket on an m motor [3:10pm] PeterThoeny: went 11,000 feet [3:10pm] PeterThoeny: solid fuel [3:11pm] HideyoImazu: speaking of flying objects, I had a chance to fly DJI Phantom 3 drone [3:11pm] PeterThoeny: ammonium perchlorate based fuel, same like in the boosters of the space shuttle [3:11pm] PeterThoeny: nice [3:11pm] HideyoImazu: I was really impressed with the ease [3:12pm] HideyoImazu: if you don't do anything, it hovering still in the air [3:12pm] PeterThoeny: cool [3:12pm] HideyoImazu: Phantom 3 is a popular quad-copter with a live view HD camera [3:13pm] PeterThoeny: here is the launch of a rocket with an n-motor: https://www.flickr.com/photos/peterthoeny/21787928881/ [3:13pm] PeterThoeny: for what do you use thedrone? [3:14pm] HideyoImazu: I just flew and took video [3:14pm] PeterThoeny: the camera seems to be pretty good on the dji p 3 [3:15pm] HideyoImazu: yep. I was impressed with that too [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: try ratcliff, the hdr guru, uses it and posted beautiful photos with it [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +15 min [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: let's start [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2015x10x01 [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: usual agenda: [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Extensions [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [3:15pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous [3:16pm] PeterThoeny: ---+ 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release [3:16pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebChanges [3:16pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/StopSpecifyingStyleOfTocInSystemWeb - by HideyoImazu-san [3:16pm] PeterThoeny: status: accepted [3:16pm] PeterThoeny: what is the status? [3:16pm] HideyoImazu: it's done [3:17pm] HideyoImazu: with core and all plugins bundled with the release [3:17pm] PeterThoeny: good [3:17pm] PeterThoeny: please fix status [3:17pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddCGIpmToTWikiCore [3:18pm] PeterThoeny: this is long done, but HaraldJoerg added some comment [3:18pm] HaraldJoerg: Ah, yes, because of the continuing support requests [3:18pm] HaraldJoerg: I was musing whether we should rebase to CGI 4.03 and publish this on Plugins [3:18pm] PeterThoeny: i think it makes sense to downgrade to 4.03 [3:19pm] HaraldJoerg: Users of "old" TWiki versions could simply install this [3:19pm] PeterThoeny: i don't see any downside [3:19pm] HaraldJoerg: To get rid of the system's CGI [3:19pm] HaraldJoerg: I installed a Fedora VM and verified that they indeed strip CGI from their Perl core [3:20pm] HaraldJoerg: So all RedHat and Fedora users *must* fall into the CGI trap [3:20pm] PeterThoeny: so, decided to downgrade to 4.03? [3:20pm] HaraldJoerg: If CGI is added to the core in Kampala, the 4.03 downgrade could be done in the 06x00 branch [3:21pm] HaraldJoerg: In Kampala, we can leave it at 4.13 as it is right now [3:21pm] HaraldJoerg: Or we could generally downgrade [3:22pm] PeterThoeny: does installing the contrib (assuming with cgi 4.03) work on an out of box twiki-6.0.1? [3:22pm] PeterThoeny: i recall that you did some core fixes [3:22pm] HaraldJoerg: I'd guess so, didn't have time to verify.  I want to run the tests on Fedora [3:22pm] HaraldJoerg: The core fixes were, as far as I recall, only needed to accomodate for 4.13 [3:22pm] PeterThoeny: many admins use redhat/centos [3:23pm] HaraldJoerg: 4.03 is the version bundled with my production Ubuntu [3:24pm] PeterThoeny: then i recomment packaging the contrib with cgi 4.03 and list in plugins repository [3:24pm] HaraldJoerg: Yes, I know that RedHat derivatives are very popular - but didn't realize that their handling of CGI was the root cause for the support requests.  Almost all of them came from RedHat based systems [3:25pm] PeterThoeny: and as you said, keep svn trunk on cgi 4.13 [3:25pm] HaraldJoerg: BTW: The core changes are harmless with 4.03 too, they don't *need* 4.13 [3:26pm] PeterThoeny: can you do the package update with downgrade? [3:27pm] HaraldJoerg: That's more a task of testing... I want to do the tests on a Fedora system, to verify that it solves the issue [3:27pm] HaraldJoerg: Just learning Fedora (config, package manager) [3:27pm] PeterThoeny: ok [3:27pm] PeterThoeny: let's move on [3:27pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RenderParentHandler - by HideyoImazu-san [3:27pm] PeterThoeny: new proposal [3:28pm] HideyoImazu: it's similar to TopicTitleHandler proposal [3:29pm] HideyoImazu: providing a way to customize %META{"parent" ...}% behavior [3:29pm] PeterThoeny: so, revized spec is to have renderParentHandler() take effect on %META{"parent" …}%, and to not introduce %BREACRUMBS{...}% ? [3:30pm] HideyoImazu: right [3:30pm] PeterThoeny: ok, that was one option we discussed last time [3:30pm] PeterThoeny: looks good to me [3:30pm] PeterThoeny: committed today [3:31pm] PeterThoeny: +1 from me [3:31pm] HideyoImazu: +1 from me of course [3:31pm] HaraldJoerg: I've no objection either [3:32pm] PeterThoeny: so, accepted by release meeting [3:32pm] HideyoImazu: thanks! [3:33pm] PeterThoeny: that is all on features [3:33pm] PeterThoeny: anything else? [3:33pm] PeterThoeny: --- [3:33pm] HideyoImazu: not from me [3:33pm] HaraldJoerg: Nope [3:33pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Extensions [3:33pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges [3:34pm] PeterThoeny: no package updates since last time [3:34pm] PeterThoeny: anything? [3:34pm] HaraldJoerg: Not from me [3:35pm] HideyoImazu: nothing from me [3:35pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [3:35pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges [3:36pm] HaraldJoerg: A bunch of very useful fixes by Hideyo-san [3:36pm] PeterThoeny: yes, thank you HideyoImazu-san! [3:36pm] HideyoImazu: np [3:37pm] PeterThoeny: small detail: items of plugins that ship with core should also be set to"waiting for release" [3:37pm] PeterThoeny: the "closed" is used for non-core extensions [3:38pm] HideyoImazu: did I close something? [3:38pm] PeterThoeny: yes, HeadlinesPlugin and TablePlugin items are "closed" [3:38pm] HideyoImazu: ah [3:38pm] HideyoImazu: I'm correcting [3:39pm] PeterThoeny: we use the "waiting for release" status for reports in release notes [3:39pm] PeterThoeny: thanks [3:39pm] PeterThoeny: would you like to discuss any bug item? [3:40pm] HideyoImazu: no [3:40pm] HaraldJoerg: No [3:41pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous [3:41pm] PeterThoeny: anything? [3:42pm] HideyoImazu: i'm thinking to name a new skin "BootstrapSkin" since it's bootstrap based [3:42pm] PeterThoeny: straight forward [3:42pm] HideyoImazu: It can be named "ResponsiveSkin" [3:43pm] PeterThoeny: responsiveskin would be better understood by admins and users [3:43pm] PeterThoeny: only geeks know the bootstrap lib [3:43pm] HideyoImazu: ok. [3:43pm] PeterThoeny: and many people know responsive design [3:44pm] HideyoImazu: then I name it ResponsiveSkin [3:44pm] PeterThoeny: responsive is a misnomer imho, but that is the official term [3:44pm] PeterThoeny: makes sense [3:45pm] PeterThoeny: anything else? [3:45pm] HideyoImazu: not from me [3:45pm] HaraldJoerg: Not for today [3:47pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let's close the meeting [3:47pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the minutes and logs as usual [3:47pm] PeterThoeny: thank you HaraldJoerg & HideyoImazu-san [3:47pm] HideyoImazu: thank you both [3:47pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl [3:48pm] HaraldJoerg: Ok, have a good day - ttyl [3:48pm] PeterThoeny: ttyl [3:48pm]  HideyoImazu left the chat room. (Quit: Page closed) [3:48pm]  HaraldJoerg left the chat room.