Date: April 11, 2011 11:06:31 AM PDT
Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2011x04x11.txt

[10:01am] PeterThoeny: hi george!
[10:01am] PeterThoeny: did you have a nice weekend?
[10:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: good morning peter
[10:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, restful.  You over your cold?
[10:02am] PeterThoeny: almost recovered, just still coughing
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: otherwise fine
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: i finally understand what went wrong with the 5.0.1 build
[10:03am] GeorgeTrubisky: ah
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: i spent a few hours yesterday debugging
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: bug in build script
[10:04am] PeterThoeny: not sure how 5.0.0 build was possible
[10:04am] PeterThoeny: seems like sopan fixed the build script for 5.0.0 but did not checkin the fix
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: ouch
[10:05am] PeterThoeny: turned out that with the new directory structure of the 5.0 branch the old
.txt,v files could not be found,
[10:05am] GeorgeTrubisky: new directory structure?
[10:05am] PeterThoeny: resulting in all topic files having one revision only
[10:06am] PeterThoeny: up to 4.3 we had the core code in the branch root and a subdirectory for all
plugins
[10:06am]  tmw joined the chat room.
[10:06am]  PeterJones joined the chat room.
[10:06am] tmw: hellp
[10:06am] PeterThoeny: in 5.0 we changed that to have a core subdirectory in the branch root, and
all plugins also in the branch root
[10:07am] tmw: sorry, hello
[10:07am] PeterThoeny: hi pete!
[10:07am] PeterJones: Hello from sunny Switzerland
[10:07am] PeterThoeny: hi tmw, what is your twiki.org WikiName?
[10:07am] tmw: TomaszWalaszek
[10:07am] PeterThoeny: hi from sunny sunnyvale
[10:08am] tmw: I got just one post
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: hi tomasz, welcome to our release meeting!
[10:08am] tmw: thx
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: could all give a quick intro?
[10:09am] •PeterThoeny founded twiki.org and is now cto of twiki inc, trying to promote twiki
everywhere
[10:09am] GeorgeTrubisky: GeorgeTrubisky....TWiki release manager (in training)
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: and trying to build up the community
[10:09am] PeterJones: Peter Jones - running a TWiki at CERN for LHC experiments
[10:11am] tmw: Tomasz Walaszek - system engineer at Tieto
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: let's start
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: agenda at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2011x04x11
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: # 1. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: # 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: # 3. TWiki-5.0.2 Release Coordination
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: # 4. Miscellaneous
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: anything to add?
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: AddCounterToSessionVariables: i implemented this last week
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: idea is to have a counter on how many pages have been accessed since login
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: useful to show a popup dialog just after login
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: we have a number of proposals waiting to be implemented
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/EmptyTrash
[10:15am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, I wanted to chat about Empty Trash
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: i added a more detailed spec on top
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: yes, let's discuss
[10:16am] GeorgeTrubisky: with the 2 bug fixes I've done, I'm willing to take this on, but I'm
concerned about when your expectation are for completion
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: no expectation
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: Are you counting on it for the 5.1 release?
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: simple: if ready by 5.1 release it will go in, if not it will not
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: of corse it would be a nice to have for 5.1
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, then I'll put myself down as the developer.
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: but it will not be a release stopper if not ready
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: cool.  Ok, I'll take it
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: i can help out if you have implementation detail questions
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: thanks george!
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: does spec look ok?
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: should we tweak it?
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, so far.  I'm sure I will have questions.
[10:19am] PeterThoeny: look at the screen mockup
[10:19am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes I did.
[10:20am] GeorgeTrubisky: I just "discovered" the TWiki Reference Manual  this weekend.  Most
useful....I wish I had it for the 2 bug fixes.
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: ah
[10:20am] GeorgeTrubisky: and the Admin Tools topic
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: twiki has so much documentation, it is hard to find the trees in the forest
[10:22am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes.  I'm not being critical, but the Admin Tools topic wasn't on the list
of documentation you originally sent me.  Something to remember for new users going forward
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: ah, good point
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ImproveAttachmentToTrashFlow
[10:23am] PeterJones: Peter can you post the topic for Plugins done for the new version and those to
be done?
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: marked as under construction
[10:23am] GeorgeTrubisky: its done
[10:23am] GeorgeTrubisky: I'll update it
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: pete: i'll get to it shortly after core feature review
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: yes, the fix to be able to delete same attachment name twice is done, thanks
george
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: BackupRestoreUtility: on hold until 5.0.2 release done
[10:25am] GeorgeTrubisky: what do I mark it as? Merged to core?
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RollbackAttachmentVersion - pete, what is
status?
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: yes, mark as merged to core
[10:25am] PeterJones: Rollback Im on it this week. I have been away since last meeting
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: and put your name in the twikicontributors form field
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: thank you pete!
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: DiffAttachments - pete
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: any questions on spec of diff attachments?
[10:26am] PeterJones: Same as Rollback. However this one may take some more time
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: ok
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: VarHIDE - now implemented (by me)
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: CombineJumpBoxAndSearchBox - i will work after 5.0.2 release
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: ReadOnlySkinMode - i will work after 5.0.2 release
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: any other core features before we go to plugins?
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: ah, i have one more
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IncludeParametersWithDefault
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: new proposal to make parameterized includes more useful
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: i will implement, should be relatively easy
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: ok, to plugins
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: lot's of activity in last two weeks again
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: XmlQueryPlugin, QuizPlugin, SpreadSheetPlugin, AbusePlugin, UpdateInfoPlugin,
SvgPlugin, SingletonWikiWordPlugin, TWikiDrawPlugin, LdapContrib
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: have been updated
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: MateuszPles is a new contributor from poland who is maintaining the ldap integration
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: i am glad that his contrib is now up to date for twiki-5.0
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: tmw, are you from poland (by name?)
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: on SpreadSheetPlugin i added a new WHILE() function
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: twiki can now handle while loops
[10:34am] GeorgeTrubisky: cool
[10:34am] PeterJones: Peter, last time you updated the LatexmodePlugin. Any plans for MathModePlugin ?
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: not me
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: someone using this plugin should take ownership
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: PeterJones:  on your previous question
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SearchExtensions?qs=.&qt=AddOn|Contrib|Plugin|Skin&qv=5.0
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: shows all extensions tested on 5.0
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TemporarySearchFor50 shows all
extensions tested for 4.3 but not 5.0
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SearchExtensions?qs=. shows the big
list of all extensions over life time (458 in total)
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: we have now 236 extensions tested for 5.0
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: a few key extensions are still missing
[10:38am] PeterThoeny: such as the database plugins maintained by thomas weigert
[10:38am] PeterJones: The list is quite extensive
[10:38am] PeterJones: I wonder if there is a plugin to check Plugin use?
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: DBIQueryPlugin, DatabaseContrib, DiffWordByWordAddOn, EditChapterPlugin, 
ExcelImportExportPlugin, GenPDFLatexAddOn, GitPlugin, LatexModePlugin, MailInContrib,
MathModePlugin, MediaWikiToTWikiAddOn, OpenIdRpContrib, SearchEngineKinoSearchAddOn,
ThumbnailPlugin would be nice to have tested
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: what do you mean by plugin to check plugin use?
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: like find out all variables all installed plugins offer and scan all content
for use of those variables?
[10:42am] PeterJones: If a site has many plugins installed, to check if they are really being used
and if not they could be disables. Too many plugins can have an effect on performance
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: yes, that would be a useful plugin
[10:43am] PeterJones: I have to pop out for a few minutes. back soon
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: not all plugins handle variables, so for some plugins you would need to do a
special discovery
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: ok
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: any other plugin stuff before we continue?
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: i think we can skip this unless someone wants to discuss a bug?
[10:44am] GeorgeTrubisky: Item6602: The viewfile script delivers attachments with lower-cased names
is done
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: yes, i have seen
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: thank you george!
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: that was a confusing bug
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: so good to have fixed
[10:45am] GeorgeTrubisky: CGI::Util::rearrange is the root cause....just implemented a work around
[10:46am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, a challange for sure.  Thanks
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. TWiki-5.0.2 Release Coordination
[10:48am] GeorgeTrubisky: you want to pick a date?
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: george and i discussed briefly at start of meeting
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: i will tag 5.0.1 release this week after fixing the build script
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: after that we are reasy to tackle 5.0.2 build
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: sometimes this week i should be done with 5.0.1 tag
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: george, what is a good day to do a 5.0.2-rc1 test build?
[10:50am] GeorgeTrubisky: checking
[10:51am] GeorgeTrubisky: this week not good, going out of town this weekend.  Lets pick a date
next week
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: ok
[10:51am] GeorgeTrubisky: Tuesday, 19th in the AM?
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: i am pretty open the week of 18
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: in general mon, wed and fri are better for me
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: i can stand by for questions if tue
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: but not screenshare session for whole time
[10:53am] GeorgeTrubisky: How about Wednesday AM?
[10:53am] GeorgeTrubisky: 20th
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: sounds good
[10:55am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[10:55am] GeorgeTrubisky: I'll send email day before
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: ok
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: i marked my calendar
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: anything?
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: tmw:  what are you using twiki for?
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: tomasz does not seem to be here
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: time check: +59 min
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: shall we close the meeting?
[11:00am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, thanks Peter
[11:00am] GeorgeTrubisky: is the new build script checked in?
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: not yet, i will do some more tests
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: i will checkin later this week
[11:01am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, thanks.  I want to work on it before we meet next week
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: probably after taxes
[11:01am] GeorgeTrubisky: lol  I'm done with that!
[11:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: got money back this year...helps to be unemployed for awhile....
[11:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, good luck.  bye
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: ok, i'll post the minutes
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: ttyl george
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: by PeterJones & tomasz