Subject: KampalaMeetingLog-2018-01-04.txt Date: January 4, 2018 at 4:01:06] PM PST peterthoeny [3:00] hi @himazu & @haj! haj [3:01] I'm here, too :slightly_smiling_face: himazu [3:01] hi Peter and Harald peterthoeny [3:02] ok, on slack now [3:02] what’s new in the new year? himazu [3:03] I did a research on ISP offering in Japan these days for my sister moving soon. haj [3:03] A lot of rain. The last week in 2017 was much better himazu [3:03] 1Gbps 40 USD per month seems to be thorm [3:03] the norm [3:04] the catch is, 1Gbps is the theoretical limit. [3:04] if you are unlucky, you get only several Mbps at times [3:04] depending on ISPs peterthoeny [3:04] not much on my side, but my mom’s village in the swiss alps was out of power for 1.5 days due to downed power lines; now the village temporarily back on power with emergency generator that feeds power into the line where the main transformer is; you godda love the well organized swiss :slightly_smiling_face: haj [3:05] What would you do with Mbps?  Megabit per second? himazu [3:05] mega bit per second peterthoeny [3:05] in tokyo? himazu [3:05] most places in Japan haj [3:06] That's a lot of bandwidth... peterthoeny [3:06] wow himazu [3:06] 95% or so of population in Japan can get that kind of service peterthoeny [3:06] just telling how backward the usa is [3:06] isps just working to increase profits for shareholders himazu [3:06] it’s a bit like Google’s land line service everywhere [3:07] it’s 1Gbps dozens of dollars a month, right? [3:07] Google Fiber, is the name of the service? peterthoeny [3:08] we pay 180 for internet (10mbs down, 2 up) + tv + one phone line [3:08] this is just way to expensive haj [3:08] Oh, that's pretty expensive peterthoeny [3:09] comcast actually bumped us up to 230 for a while until we complained himazu [3:10] uploaded this image: Wi-Fi at Outback in Roppongi Add Comment peterthoeny [3:10] envious :slightly_smiling_face: himazu [3:10] at a restaurant I went last evening, the free wi-fi service was 53M down, 250M up [3:11] this is exceptional, though peterthoeny [3:11] i see strangely upload is faster :slightly_smiling_face: himazu [3:11] it’s fiber [3:11] potentially, up and down are the same speed haj [3:11] I guess there's less competition for upload in a restaurant peterthoeny [3:11] ah, more people download than up [3:12] and the restaurant has likely a cap on both himazu [3:12] probably in the same trunk or something as the restaurant is using peterthoeny [3:13] time check: +13 min himazu [3:13] it’s “best effort” service peterthoeny [3:13] shall we start? himazu [3:13] sure peterthoeny [3:13] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2018x01x04 [3:13] 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release 2. Extensions 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs 4. TWiki Release Discussion 5. Miscellaneous [3:13] ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release [3:13] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebChanges [3:14] no feature changes [3:14] anything? himazu [3:14] nothing from me haj [3:14] Nothing from me either peterthoeny [3:14] ---++ 2. Extensions [3:14] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges [3:14] one change [3:15] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/BackupRestorePlugin [3:15] TWikibug:Item7831: Allow action=debug only if Debug flag set; parameter sanity checks [3:15] these are security related fixes i did [3:15] let’s cover that topic during release discussion [3:16] that is all since last time [3:16] anything else on extensions? haj [3:16] Nope himazu [3:17] no peterthoeny [3:17] 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [3:17] http://develop.twiki.org/do/view/Bugs/WebChanges [3:17] i posted 4 items related to input sanitation [3:17] this is work in progress [3:18] i already mentioned BackupRestorePlugin [3:18] other ones are profile page form fields, search and attachments [3:19] i’d say about 50% of work done [3:19] i’ll finish up, likely this weekend [3:19] that is all i see on bugs [3:19] anything else? himazu [3:20] nothing from me haj [3:20] Nope... peterthoeny [3:20] ---++ 4. TWiki Release Discussion [3:21] last time we said that i use the xmas time for app packager [3:21] unfortunately i had to use to for security fixes [3:21] so i plan to do app packager later this month himazu [3:22] ok peterthoeny [3:22] how about new target release mid feb? himazu [3:22] whenever you think it’s ready, it’s ready, I’d say peterthoeny [3:23] ok [3:23] anything else on release? haj [3:24] I haven't worked on software in the last two weeks [3:24] So I can't contribute peterthoeny [3:24] ok [3:25] ---++ 5. Miscellaneous himazu [3:25] I don’t have anything unusual these days. [3:25] so I can help haj [3:25] I hope to get the test setup done until end of January peterthoeny [3:26] so, on release, one item to help is update rel notes, required env notes and code on new perl requirement [3:26] @himazu could help there if you like himazu [3:27] sure peterthoeny [3:27] back to misc [3:27] i have one item [3:27] twiki-security list [3:27] are both of you on now? [3:27] at the start of the meeting i sent a test e-mail - please reply if received haj [3:28] Yep, I received your mail and replied a few minutes ago peterthoeny [3:28] @himazu you are not on yet i think himazu [3:28] let me check peterthoeny [3:29] if not on sign up at https://sourceforge.net/projects/twiki/lists/twiki-security himazu [3:30] ah, ok peterthoeny [3:31] if you sign up now i can approve now himazu [3:31] i’ve just signed up peterthoeny [3:31] strange, i don’t see it yet [3:31] maybe a delay? [3:31] ah, now i see it himazu [3:31] and i’ve just clicked the confirmation button on the email peterthoeny [3:32] approved himazu [3:32] thanks! peterthoeny [3:33] i just sent a test e-mail, please reply if you see it [3:33] ok, that is all i had [3:33] anything else? himazu [3:34] i’ve just replied to your email, Peter peterthoeny [3:34] uploaded this image: here is btw the speed on my mobile connection haj [3:34] A question about testing: How do you process mail tests (notification, registration)? peterthoeny [3:35] no automated testing for mail related stuff [3:35] i do manual testing for those [3:35] could be automated with a switch haj [3:35] For automation, I've installed exim4 on the test machine and I'm sending mail to localhost, so that the test package can check almost "in real time" by reading the mail spool peterthoeny [3:36] ah, sweet [3:37] @himazu i have not seen your test reply yet, maybe a delay haj [3:37] But that's just piling up a lot of stuff... the "application test" with real web server have gazillions of dependencies peterthoeny [3:39] another option is to add a switch for mail and “send” the output to files when on [3:39] this assumes that the send actually works haj [3:40] yep, but I'm testing with a separate web server... the test suite runs as a TWiki client via HTTP only [3:40] So there's no (easy) access to files on the web server peterthoeny [3:40] ah haj [3:41] many of TWiki's "unit" tests aren't "unit" - they make a lot of assumptions and need all modules loaded peterthoeny [3:41] @himazu your reply did not yet arrive, please reply again in a day or so, is suspect a subscription delay by sf.net (edited) haj [3:42] so I wanted to run sort of black box tests against the documentation peterthoeny [3:43] ok [3:43] thanks for working on improving the test infra! haj [3:43] That's a totally new infrastructure, I'm not sure whether it is too overloaded [3:44] I'm creating a VM as a test fixture, to make sure that it is a "clean" environment peterthoeny [3:45] ok [3:45] shall we close the meeting? anything else? haj [3:45] Fine for me! peterthoeny [3:46] so, next meeting on 01-18, my b’day [3:46] but, not sure yet where i am, my wife asked me to block time for a few days, secret, no idea what haj [3:47] We could also postpone a week peterthoeny [3:47] ok, i ask my wide if we have internet access on that day [3:47] let’s coordinate via email haj [3:47] Don't spoil your birthday with slack himazu [3:47] ditto peterthoeny [3:48] ok, so lets meet one week later [3:48] 01-25 haj [3:48] Fine! peterthoeny [3:48] ok, i’l post the logs and minutes of this meeting as usual [3:49] ttyl @himazu & @haj! himazu [3:50] ttyl