#twiki_marketing [20:58] [INFO] Channel view for “#twiki_marketing” opened. [20:58] -->| YOU (Kobby) have joined #twiki_marketing [20:58] [INFO] This channel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services (e.g. NickServ). Please see the documentation of this network's nickname registration services that should be found in the MOTD (/motd to display it). [20:58] Hi there everyone! [20:59] -->| ktwilight (n=ktwiligh@111.221-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) has joined #twiki_marketing [20:59] hi :) [20:59] gmc - good to see you here. Finsihed your server migration I guess? [20:59] moin [21:00] Peter has already posted that he's taking a week off - so therefore won't be at this meeting [21:00] Who else are we expecting? [21:01] even from the meeting? [21:01] I hope Arthur joins us, not sure though [21:01] -->| ArthurClemens (n=ArthurCl@ip56507f6a.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #twiki_marketing [21:01] hehe [21:02] Talk of the devil! :) [21:02] who me? [21:02] That was really cool Carlo! [21:02] Can you do that again? [21:02] a nano second before u joined I wondered if you would join us [21:03] === cdot is offline. [21:03] heh [21:03] I guess we'll give it another few minutes and then we'll start [21:03] ok, back in a sec [21:03] I have volunteered to be facilitator - provided everyone is OK with that [21:03] btw nice work Carlo on the structure [21:04] thx [21:04] go for it kobby :-) [21:04] OK [21:04] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiMarketingMeeting2008x01x28 [21:05] ---+ 1 Blogging [21:05] GMC, do you want to start? [21:05] Hmmnnn... [21:06] How about if we come back to point 1 a bit later? [21:06] ---+ 2 Home page redesign [21:06] Who wants to lead on this one? [21:07] I can start [21:07] arthur? [21:08] As u might have noticed I did a bit on the site structure [21:08] great job! :) [21:08] now we have an overview (the mind map)... [21:08] thx [21:08] plus click trails [21:08] baesd on proposed site structure [21:09] nex task is to identify the most important pages [21:09] -->| rodbeckstrom (n=rodbecks@62.sub-75-197-2.myvzw.com) has joined #twiki_marketing [21:09] hi rod [21:09] hi rod [21:09] Hi there Rod [21:09] hi Carlo and team, greetings from a starbucks in DC! [21:09] carlo_, how do we determine which are important? [21:09] So, what are the next steps for the redesign? [21:10] ktw: the ones that are need by most personas are the important ones [21:10] easy as that :-') [21:10] :-) [21:11] sounds fair [21:11] 1. identifying most important pages [21:11] 2. desigining landing pages [21:12] or better dicuss the new landing pages a bit before we design them [21:12] back [21:12] we can nned a lot of help and input here [21:12] sweet [21:12] anything to add arthur? [21:13] so yes I figured to define the most important pages, but you have them in the diagram already [21:13] I made a couple of changes [21:13] but I did not change the flash [21:13] we need to think about navigation [21:14] f.i. one persona has a set of questions that are related [21:14] we are dividing the content in sub-sections [21:14] that need to be navigable [21:14] we don't want to offer a static sidebar [21:15] and the links need to be visible, so no fold out menu [21:15] as new people don't know the site yet [21:15] no, not if have something like discussed in NewNavigationModellForTWikiOrg [21:15] a small nav block could work, as the new Amazon has [21:16] the example provided by micheal daum was good as well [21:16] that changes along with the place in the site [21:16] can't recall now [21:16] * ArthurClemens clicks [21:16] http://www.irvingtondevelopment.org [21:17] yes, that will work as an entry [21:17] but not for navigating around [21:17] the same section [21:17] no just for the entry part [21:18] so we need to define what to do and then deligate the action [21:18] well, these are the constraints we will work with [21:18] I think this is good discussion but just want to point out that [21:18] We've spent more than 10 minutes on this subject [21:19] any questions from u guys? [21:19] ok, we can stop here [21:19] We don't have to stop - if the meeting needs to discuss [21:19] any remarks on the content of the structure? [21:20] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebPageAudienceSiteStructure [21:20] part one is the structure. The copy writing part will come [21:20] then we really need to get creative [21:21] We certainly will [21:21] That is fantastic work [21:21] we also still need to define crosslinks [21:21] Just goes to show what an OSS project can do! [21:21] so Carlo, I think this will work better when we have a more formal layout of the current structure [21:22] a bit less unwieldy as the flash map [21:22] yep its to small in t.o. [21:22] as I find it great for exploration but not so for getting overview [21:22] all nodes are collapsed all the time [21:22] I can easily change that [21:23] OK shall we move on to ---+ 3 Testimonials? [21:23] lets define our next task after this meetng and continue? [21:23] Carlo, like I said, if you need more time take it [21:24] no fine with me [21:24] If you need to define next steps in this meeting then that's important [21:24] OK [21:24] (Damn this IRC!) [21:24] ---+ Testimonials [21:24] As we mentioned last meeting, the You Tube contest is going ahead [21:25] TWiki.net have asked me to coordinate and promote the contest [21:25] The mechanics are pretty simple, there will be a user page on YouTube and a contest page on TDO (TWiki dot org) [21:25] There will also be a page on TWiki.net [21:26] The key point is how we promote the contest [21:26] I just wanted to ask the meeting about using the TWiki.org low volume mailing list [21:26] Who actually coordinates this list? [21:26] ie who do I approach to ask for an email to be sent out? [21:26] dont know [21:27] which list is that? [21:27] you should blog about this as well [21:27] and put it on the frontpage [21:27] Yes, blog [21:27] Front page - great idea [21:27] of course we are eagerly awaiting a dynamic homepage [21:28] and digg it ;) [21:28] Do you think that frontpage is viable? [21:28] KT - yes, digg would be very good [21:28] better than hide it on some twiki.org page [21:28] yup [21:28] In fact, I'd like to ask everyone here to think of 5 people that they could alert to the existance of this contest [21:29] -->| AmirShobeiri (n=amir@63.146.69.17) has joined #twiki_marketing [21:29] Maybe people who don't normally frequent TDO [21:29] Maybe people who have video editing skills [21:29] Hello all [21:29] I have a list of Dutch t.o. users somewhere [21:29] Hi there Amir, we're just discussing the you tube video contest [21:29] I apoligize for the delay, this is the first time I am joining [21:29] don't know if they want to get spammed [21:29] great! [21:30] Kobby, when does the contest start? [21:30] The key thing is to coordinate the promotion [21:30] But I hope that we'll be able to get the contest rolling next week [21:30] So to summarise: [21:31] hm, am just thinking we should give a lead time so that people get to know about it before hopping into it [21:31] Promoting on TDO (front page or not) [21:31] TDO blog [21:31] and if we are expecting companies to hop on this, they'd need some time to create it [21:31] (Hopefully) TWiki.org low volume mailing list [21:31] so, next week might not be realistic IMHO. [21:31] TWiki.net newsletter [21:31] digg etc [21:31] it would be great to have some example videos already [21:31] Personal contacts of people around here [21:32] "early participants" [21:32] you should ask gmc about the twiki newsletter [21:32] ** Can anyone think of any other promotional opportunities? ** [21:32] ArthurClemens, +1 [21:32] oh on the list already [21:32] Is GMC here? [21:33] not really [21:33] Arthur - who did you have in mind? [21:33] Have you already made a video? [21:33] Ah, one thing I forgot to mention - all qualifying entries get a free TWiki T shirt [21:33] I haven't [21:33] :( [21:34] what on that t-shirt? [21:34] twiki or twiki.net? [21:34] ummm [21:34] This page has not been updated lately: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/YouTubeDemoContest2007 [21:34] Its going to be TWiki.net [21:35] is there another page with the overview? [21:35] Unless I can persuade the TDN folks to make a TWiki branded shirt [21:35] Arthur - good point, I'll put a page up in the next few days [21:35] I am actually setting up a twiki.org t-shirt [21:35] Amir - that's great! [21:36] on spreadshirt.com [21:36] Carlo - I think that's your answer [21:36] I will post a link when thats done [21:36] there a topic in codev with logos and designs even on t-shirts [21:36] cant recall the name [21:36] ooh, not so good that one [21:36] hehe [21:36] some like it though [21:36] especially programmers [21:37] they like visual puzzles [21:37] who are not designers ;-) [21:37] OK, I am just conscious of time again [21:38] Rod, Amir - any thing final to say about the contest? [21:38] ---+ 4 TWiki.org Performance [21:38] I have a feeling that this may be a brief agenda item given that Peter is not here [21:39] I am actually not involved in the conest, but Michael Corbett is [21:39] Amir - do you need any input from the community regarding the TWiki.org t shirt? [21:40] yes, as I mentioned earlier. I will be finalizing the t-shirts for twiki.org [21:40] once its done, I will be sure to post them on spreadshirt.com [21:40] its a great marketplace to purchase t-shirts worldwide [21:41] Carlo - was this the topic in codev you were referring to? [21:41] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiLogoDevelopment [21:41] ---+ 5 Press Releases [21:41] I am glad that we are all together in the same meeting to talk about this [21:42] no it wasn't [21:42] I think things got a little hairy regarding the press release [21:42] And I am glad things have calmed down a little [21:42] a little bit [21:43] I think that the whole incident has shown us that our little community is getting to the stage where it needs some lightweight "governance" [21:43] I notice that Lynnwood posted this article: [21:43] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiGovernance [21:44] to me this reads like we cant do anything before we agrred on this whole governace issue [21:44] Well, I don't think that Lynnwood would have meant it like that [21:45] maybe it because i'm not a native speaker [21:45] it is.. [21:45] Basically he's talking about *moving towards* having an interim steering commmitte [21:45] But we can still keep doing our stuff prior to the committee being appointed [21:46] Anyhow, like I say, not exactly a marketing topic [21:46] maybe I was just a little bit scared because it sounded so bureaucratic [21:46] Anymore to say on press release? [21:47] no, this was not my issue at all [21:47] ---+ 7 Merchandising [21:47] Is GMC alive? [21:48] GMC? [21:48] I wondered if the press release has been sent out [21:48] Yes, press release has been sent out [21:49] I wasn't actually involved in the sending out process [21:49] Peter did it (last week I believe) [21:49] Was it you that mentioned the (false?) claims of that other wiki? [21:49] False claims? [21:49] Do you mean MindTouch? [21:50] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/MindTouch [21:50] Deki wiki [21:50] Ah yes, that was me, guilty as charged [21:51] so no use to strengthen any arguments in the press release [21:51] anyway, what can you do? [21:51] What can we do? [21:51] yes Peter did send the press release out last week, just as confirmatin [21:52] confirmation [21:52] no, just to say we can do little [21:52] Do little about what? [21:52] except for focussing our own communication on our own strengths [21:52] You mean refuting the claims of another open source project? [21:52] <--| rodbeckstrom has left #twiki_marketing [21:52] yes [21:53] Well, what we need to do is collect some hard evidence of the number of TWiki users out there [21:53] Then approach the deki wiki project with that evidence [21:54] But it starts with getting the proof sorted out [21:54] Anyway, we've only got 5 minutes left so I suggest we move on [21:54] "most popular" = "most liked"? [21:54] --+ 8 TWiki Meetups [21:55] "most popular" = "used by the most number of users" [21:55] IMHO anyway [21:55] Amir, do you want to say anythign about TWiki meetups [21:55] I notice that Peter has put you down as Champion for this!!! ;) [21:56] Did anyone go to the TWiki meet up in Holland on Friday? [21:57] I did! [21:57] quite small, but we got the 2 hours filled [21:57] Great! [21:57] What was it like? [21:58] great examples from TU Delft and FLOSS [21:58] We are looking to have our Silicon Valley Meet up in February at a big Silicon Valley company, and fall back at the Plug & Play Tech Cebter [21:58] Center* [21:58] TU Delft was more theoretical, and BTW they will be rolling out TWiki for 25.000 users [21:58] FLOSS had a number of very useful plugins [21:59] There were ~10 people who attended the Holland Meet-Up with Rod Beckstrom [21:59] 1 to connect different TWiki servers to exchanges topics and webs [21:59] we had 4 potential users/customers [22:00] Excellent! [22:00] 2 from the same company, 1 from the university of Nijmegen [22:00] (1 I can't recall) [22:00] I heard the Meet-Up in Holland was very interesting, and lasting about 3 hours [22:00] 2.5 hours or so [22:00] it was too little time [22:00] or we should be kept by the stopwatch [22:01] Maybe 4 hours for the next then? [22:01] Were there any powerpoint presentations etc from FLOSS or TU? [22:01] I would be happy to add any potential TWiki Meet-Ups worldwide, feel free to email me (amir@twiki.net) with info about the potentail meet-up. I will then post it online [22:01] better catering as well [22:01] on TWiki's meetup.com account [22:01] no, just live pages [22:01] Rod has made a number of pictures [22:01] Shame - anyway, I'm glad the event went well [22:02] Pictures? [22:02] digital photos [22:03] I think we should be able to create a blogpost out of it [22:03] Great! [22:03] as I have written one in Dutch for our company [22:03] Anyway, I'm not doing a good job on facilitating this meeting because I have let it over run [22:04] Does anyone have Any Other Business (AOB)? [22:05] I guess that's a no [22:05] i don't [22:05] Anyone else? [22:06] I apoligize for being late, and thank you for the meeting [22:06] I look forward to being more involved in these marketing meetings, Cheers! [22:07] arthur: some time to chat about our next tasks or do we want to do it the comment way on WebPageAudienceSiteStructure? [22:07] Thanks for coming Amir [22:07] yepo, thanks [22:07] bye amir [22:07] And thanks everyone else :) [22:07] carlo, yes [22:07] to what? [22:07] chat? [22:07] would you be able to reformat the structure? [22:07] See you all on TWiki.org - bye for now [22:08] bye [22:08] the one in the mind map? [22:08] bye michael [22:08] yes