[12:03] PeterThoeny: shall we get started? VickiBrown: Sorry I keep missing. mid-day I get lost in "real" work PeterThoeny: who is taking notes, who is facilitating? VickiBrown: I can save the log again PeterThoeny: "real" as in payed :-) VickiBrown: uhuh [12:05] PeterThoeny: ok, thanks vicki PeterThoeny: please simply attach the log to the minutes page (no need to create extra page) VickiBrown: ok PeterThoeny: i'll facilitate http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiMarketingMeeting2008x05x19 PeterThoeny: proposed agenda: # 1. Usability & Home Page Redesign # 2. Blogging # 3. Testimonials & Contest # 4. TWiki.org Performance # 5. TWiki Meetups # 6. Brainstorming for ideas PeterThoeny: i suggest to move the "not part of the agenda" that was on top to the brainstorming CarloSchulz : about home page redesign: PeterThoeny: anything to add to the agenda? PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Usability & Home Page Redesign CarloSchulz : I haven't participated in the latest development CarloSchulz : so I cant really add something to it [12:09] CarloSchulz : it seems like things have stalled a little bit PeterThoeny: yes CarloSchulz : shame on me PeterThoeny: everybody busy CarloSchulz : no energy lately PeterThoeny: main driver arthur is very busy at work at the moment PeterThoeny: i think we can start in small steps CarloSchulz : i think a live site would help PeterThoeny: by creating a few landing pages in the TWiki web, and start populating those CarloSchulz : where you can add little things [12:10] CarloSchulz : that's a good idea CarloSchulz : doing these things before a rollout or something similar is too much work given that we all have other things to do PeterThoeny: hmm, where is the page with the table of pages we want to create? PeterThoeny: the one arthur started? CarloSchulz : if there's a site where you can add small peace when you have time is better CarloSchulz : hm PeterThoeny: not linked from http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebPageAudienceSiteStructure [12:13] CarloSchulz : should be linked from that page CarloSchulz : there we go: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiOrgRenewalWorks2008ToDo PeterThoeny: ah, yes, that's it PeterThoeny: ok, i added a link to it from the WebPageAudienceSiteStructure page PeterThoeny: anyone can take the initiative and start creating pages with content PeterThoeny: next item? PeterThoeny: ---+ 2. Blogging [12:17] PeterThoeny: vicki? VickiBrown: :/ PeterThoeny: vicki moved the newsletters to the blogs web (thanks vicki!) VickiBrown: I see a bunch of bullets in the brainstorming section VickiBrown: there was another todo item I didn't get to... VickiBrown: the newsletter Feed VickiBrown: and the publish flag VickiBrown: :( PeterThoeny: ah, yes PeterThoeny: i think it would be nice to get more blog activity [12:21] VickiBrown: yes PeterThoeny: how to's, success stories etc VickiBrown: how is a good question PeterThoeny: technical stuff of twiki internal is ok too PeterThoeny: although personally i think problems in the community are better discussed in meetings and codev, not on public blog VickiBrown: I know from personal experience that it is difficult to convince people to write things PeterThoeny: when you hang out on irc ask a person to write a blog post if he/she talks about some interesting stuff using twiki VickiBrown: I missed the last SV meetup. Was the Blog mentioned? [12:25] PeterThoeny: no, we mentioned roadmap, summit, youtube contest and meetups around the world PeterThoeny: but not blog PeterThoeny: good point for next time VickiBrown: we should start adding that to meetup agendas PeterThoeny: a "please blog on twiki.org" ? VickiBrown: yes PeterThoeny: yes, that could work VickiBrown: if you can give 5-min talk, you can write a blog entry VickiBrown: if you hate to talk, write a blog entry :) PeterThoeny: yes [12:27] PeterThoeny: anything else on blog & newsletters? VickiBrown: one question VickiBrown: should we put a blog link on the Support WebHome page? VickiBrown: You've solved your problem? Write a blog entry PeterThoeny: good question PeterThoeny: carlo, you redesigned the support home PeterThoeny: what do you think? PeterThoeny: we could add another box on the right side, listing links to recent posts, and "You've solved your problem? Write a blog entry" PeterThoeny: CarloSchulz : ping [12:31] PeterThoeny: i can take that action item, but i'd like to get carlo's input Lavr: Watch out not to add too much to Support webhome Lavr: Most bad pages on t.o comes from people adding and adding links PeterThoeny: there is a balance on number of links on page, yes [12:33] PeterThoeny: ok, i'll wait for carlo's feedback Lavr: The support home must first of all help the person in need of support VickiBrown: agreed PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Testimonials & Contest PeterThoeny: we finished the youtube contest PeterThoeny: i think everybody has seen the result PeterThoeny: thanks again to terry, carlo and others for the initiative VickiBrown: we didn't blog the contest results [12:35] PeterThoeny: i asked terry to produce another video showing a structured twiki app twiki.net has done for a client PeterThoeny: that will happen probably next month CarloSchulz : arh. there we go. PeterThoeny: hi Carlo PeterThoeny: i am wondering how much you missed CarloSchulz: i just talked ten minutes to myself before I realised that i've been disconnected PeterThoeny: oh PeterThoeny: vicki came up with the idea of adding info on blog to the support homepage PeterThoeny: i said: we could add another box on the right side, listing links to recent posts, and "You've solved your problem? Write a blog entry" [12:38] PeterThoeny: kenneth's concern was the number of links PeterThoeny: what is your take carlo? PeterThoeny: is Carlo disconnected again? VickiBrown: :( PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. TWiki.org Performance PeterThoeny: we spend the whole sat afternoon til 8pm configuring the servers [12:40] PeterThoeny: two webservers are now ready on the os level CarloSchulz : back on line PeterThoeny: CarloSchulz : pong CarloSchulz : where're we at? PeterThoeny: carlo: let me post the question again PeterThoeny: vicki came up with the idea of adding info on blog to the support homepage [12:41] PeterThoeny: i said: we could add another box on the right side, listing links to recent posts, and "You've solved your problem? Write a blog entry" CarloSchulz : yep PeterThoeny: kenneth's concern was the number of links PeterThoeny: feedback? Lavr: link that does not help a person that needs to navigate to support CarloSchulz : what about creating the pages mentioned on TWikiOrgRenewalWorks2008ToDo and start working on live pages instead of abstract theory CarloSchulz : constructs like we have them now PeterThoeny: yes, that is what i suggested: start creating landing pages in the TWiki web and start populating those PeterThoeny: step by step [12:43] CarloSchulz : sounds good MartinSeibert: Hi all! PeterThoeny: hi martin! CarloSchulz : hi PeterThoeny: any feedback on adding blog info to support home? CarloSchulz : hm, is support related to blogging? PeterThoeny: martin, we are all over the map: blogging, server update etc PeterThoeny: not directly carlo CarloSchulz : would expect it there if you were in need for support? [12:44] VickiBrown: support is related to blogging if you solved your problem MartinSeibert: Okay, thanks for keeping me in the loop. PeterThoeny: vicki's idea is based on soliciting more blog posts VickiBrown: that was my idea. could be wrong CarloSchulz : no. the idea is good CarloSchulz : just wondering how likely it is PeterThoeny: good question VickiBrown: dunno. I think that way but I am acknowledged "odd" CarloSchulz : support is normally something you leave once your problem si solved [12:46] PeterThoeny: 80% of questions are beginner questions (install, config etc) CarloSchulz : i fear vicki's idea is a bit too optimistic PeterThoeny: so, add blog box to support home or not? PeterThoeny: i am inclined to not add it CarloSchulz : me too VickiBrown: ok PeterThoeny: and to watch out on irc for interesting topics Lavr: Better if WE answer a support question which is unusual and give a hint to blog about it PeterThoeny: good point kenneth CarloSchulz : LAvr: yep VickiBrown: yes MartinSeibert: I have two posts in the loop ... PeterThoeny: martin, we are looking forward to your posts! MartinSeibert: I will add an action item for the translation and the post of the new entries for me. CarloSchulz : btw. the new landing pages will perfectly suit for the TalkPages experiment [12:48] PeterThoeny: ok, back to twiki.org servers PeterThoeny: this week we will configure load balancing PeterThoeny: we run into problems with nas (sun storagetek) configuration PeterThoeny: until this is solved we can nfs mount one webserver to the other PeterThoeny: so best case in 2 weeks we are up and running with new servers [12:50] PeterThoeny: i'll try to do that in two weeks PeterThoeny: sun and twiki.net will issue a press release on the hardware donation of 100k sun equipment MartinSeibert: That would be terrific! PeterThoeny: the datacenter downstairs is pretty good CarloSchulz : 100k? wow! PeterThoeny: earthquake proved building MartinSeibert: Yes: 100K, wow! PeterThoeny: all pipes mounted on shock absorbers [12:53] PeterThoeny: ---++ 5. TWiki Meetups PeterThoeny: we had our 3rd meetup on fri MartinSeibert: I will be in Berlin and probably also in Porto. PeterThoeny: we thought that we had a live broadcast PeterThoeny: but the company had an issue with software (just updated on server) so the live feed did not happen PeterThoeny: we got the raw tape though PeterThoeny: we will post extracts on youtube PeterThoeny: next meetup is in moscow i think PeterThoeny: cool, so we will meet in berlin and porto PeterThoeny: anything else on meetups? [12:55] MartinSeibert: How about this? MartinSeibert: Create an agenda for the TWiki Summit in Berlin in September. We should start to collect possible topic ideas also. CarloSchulz : what about a user meet up in berlin CarloSchulz : following the summit?` VickiBrown: it worked well in San Jose PeterThoeny: yes, good idea carlo MartinSeibert: What is the different between meetup and summit? VickiBrown: meetup is more people looser agenda PeterThoeny: meetup is for twiki users (2 hours), summit is for twiki developers (2 days) [12:56] PeterThoeny: who can drive the berlin user meetup? CarloSchulz : I'll try to PeterThoeny: cool, thanks carlo! MartinSeibert: Carlo: Give me tasks to support you. I can help a bit. PeterThoeny: on mid feb we had 2 day summit at yahoo hq CarloSchulz : same day or one day after the summit? MartinSeibert: But I will have to act from the distance of Wiesbaden. :-) PeterThoeny: on second day we added the user meetup where about 40-50 people showed up MartinSeibert: Cool. CarloSchulz : wiesbaden? thats south of the elbe isn't it? [12:58] PeterThoeny: carlo: same day, possibly second day CarloSchulz : ok PeterThoeny: after summit, say 17:30 MartinSeibert: Carlo: slightly. PeterThoeny: we need to organize a venue for the user meetup PeterThoeny: in berlin PeterThoeny: same conf room as summit? PeterThoeny: or restaurant? CarloSchulz : i'm in berlin this thursday MartinSeibert: Will we take the first day? [12:59] CarloSchulz : will watch out for a cool place MartinSeibert: That is much better. MartinSeibert: Everybody will be present on that evening. VickiBrown: I note a brainstorming topic: Create an agenda for the Berlin summit MartinSeibert: On the second day a lot might be traveling home already. VickiBrown: looks like a good time to discuss? Lavr: We cannot have general access at Moto in the evening. So we need external place PeterThoeny: true on traveling back on second day MartinSeibert: Why not take the hotel? PeterThoeny: if we do on first day, when do we have a dinner with all dev? [1:00] MartinSeibert: Or something nearby? CarloSchulz : I will ask some friends in berlin if they know a good place PeterThoeny: time check: +60 min MartinSeibert: Carlo: We could look at qype-recommendations ... CarloSchulz : yep, sweet. Lavr: It is in an area with cafes and restaurants PeterThoeny: thanks carlo and martin for following up CarloSchulz : I wonder how many people will be interested PeterThoeny: let's move on MartinSeibert: I will add an action item: Carlo: Organize TWiki-Meetup after first day of Berlin summit. (Use support of MartinSeibert) [1:01] CarloSchulz : ok MartinSeibert: Carlo: So do I. :-) PeterThoeny: :-) PeterThoeny: ---++ 6. Brainstorming for ideas PeterThoeny: first bullet item: PeterThoeny: * Discussions about members of the TWiki-communities including all sort of complaints. MartinSeibert: No, that was shifted. [1:02] PeterThoeny: (i moved that from the top to the brainstorming) MartinSeibert: I inserted the complete opposite. :-) VickiBrown: not to discuss MartinSeibert: That was a point, not to be discussed. Let's skip that. CarloSchulz : yeah. online collaboration PeterThoeny: ok, skip MartinSeibert: Twitter-Action MartinSeibert: * All: Join the Twitter-friends by adding http://twitter.com/twikiorg as a contact with your twitter-users. MartinSeibert: * Existing "followers": Twitter more about TWiki. For examples: If you have committed new code or fixed a bug, twitter it. MartinSeibert: o needs password [1:03] MartinSeibert: * Twitter accepts RSS feeds via twitterfeed. We can feed the Blog page RSS to twitter MartinSeibert: o needs password VickiBrown: Send me the password; i'll set up a blog feed MartinSeibert: You all should follow this guideline: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiMarketing#Microblogging_with_Twitter PeterThoeny: (now i get it, sorry for "die lange leitung") VickiBrown: the mid "takes a password" can be removed VickiBrown: I missed the part where it grabs the TWiki keyword from followers MartinSeibert: Then we can start microblogging. :-) MartinSeibert: If you have a Twitter user ... MartinSeibert: ... follow the user "twikiorg". [1:05] PeterThoeny: i have not yet started with microblogging, but am eager to try it out PeterThoeny: so many rave reviews MartinSeibert: Peter or I can than add you as a "friend" and follow you. VickiBrown: cfcl.com/vlb/twelcome.php MartinSeibert: After that: Whenever you type TWiki in your Twitter-Posts, your complete post will show up in the Twiki-Microblog. MartinSeibert: Yeah! :-) VickiBrown: so both Martin and Peter "own" twikiorg user? VickiBrown: go to twitterfeed.com MartinSeibert: Everybody can be an administrator: VickiBrown: to set up RSS feed from any RSS to twitter account [1:06] MartinSeibert: I am using Twitterfeed already for that. :-) VickiBrown: oh. Good. I didn't realize. Terrific! MartinSeibert: Next topic: MartinSeibert: Skype-Action MartinSeibert: * Purpose: Offer an additional channel for quick questions and provide quick answers. As Skype is "always on" on a lot of computers, the conversations will be spread faster this way. [1:07] MartinSeibert: * All: Join the public Skype-chat and answers questions there also. (Prerequisite: A skype installation on your Computer.) PeterThoeny: found it: http://twitter.com/twikiorg MartinSeibert: I did not know, whether the IRC-people might be in favor of that or not ... MartinSeibert: Peter: correct. VickiBrown: I will gladly let it run... I don't understand how to do Skype chat though MartinSeibert: WikiSym2008 gave me the idea of a Skype-Chat ... MartinSeibert: Here is the WikiSym-Channel: http://www.wikisym.org/index.php?p=25 MartinSeibert: This is the TWiki-Channel: http://tinyurl.com/3ltb26 MartinSeibert: All: Join the public Skype-chat and answers questions there also. (Prerequisite: A skype installation on your Computer.) MartinSeibert: Purpose: Offer an additional channel for quick questions and provide quick answers. As Skype is "always on" on a lot of computers, the conversations will be spread faster this way. [1:10] PeterThoeny: let me understand, is skype channel like a blog? PeterThoeny: or like questions on linkedin? MartinSeibert: No: Skype Channel is exactly like this IRC-chat. MartinSeibert: But it is easy accessible ... MartinSeibert: Peter: Neither. MartinSeibert: It is a chat. PeterThoeny: ah, understood MartinSeibert: Skype is competing IRC-activity. CarloSchulz : (i) PeterThoeny: so someone should create a twiki channel on skype? [1:11] MartinSeibert: That might be a pitfall. MartinSeibert: Peter: I did that already. MartinSeibert: This is the TWiki-Channel: http://tinyurl.com/3ltb26 VickiBrown: Skype is odd in that the API is proprietary VickiBrown: one client choice; locked-in MartinSeibert: Vicki: correct. But if we want to serve users, skype is much better than IRC! MartinSeibert: Skype is widely spread ... VickiBrown: but some people already know it and might find IRC not their cup of tea VickiBrown: yes. IRC is very Techie VickiBrown: IRC is scary to many people [1:13] VickiBrown: who are not so technical in nature VickiBrown: Are Skype chats join or invite? VickiBrown: IRC is anyone can join; group IM tends to be invite PeterThoeny: martin and i are now on skype twiki channel CarloSchulz : I dont have skype :-( MartinSeibert: My suggestion: Everybody who wants shall use skype and help users through this channel also. MartinSeibert: Agreed? VickiBrown: more options can't really hurt [1:14] VickiBrown: I run Skype weekdays anyway MartinSeibert: So we all agree, that skype can be another new channel? PeterThoeny: yes, it helps spread the word to new channels MartinSeibert: That's what I thought. PeterThoeny: any way to promote this twiki channel on skype? MartinSeibert: Let's see, if it will be used ... MartinSeibert: Peter: Put a Skype-Logo somewhere and insert this link: http://tinyurl.com/3ltb26 VickiBrown: WHo is going to write the blog entry for this, Martin???? MartinSeibert: Peter: Shall I add an action item for you? MartinSeibert: Vickie: Yes, I will. [1:17] PeterThoeny: we have a TWikiIRC page in codev web, we need a TWikiSkypeChannel (TWikiChannelOnSkype?) MartinSeibert: I will create these pages or have one of my colleagues do it. PeterThoeny: thanks! [1:19] MartinSeibert: Next topic: MartinSeibert: Is anybody willing to take over these tasks? MartinSeibert: * Untaken: Write blog entry on TWiki-merchandising-products like T-Shirts. MartinSeibert: * Untaken: Someone needs to create a blog entry about the importance of blogging for TWiki. MartinSeibert: * Untaken: Make sure, that the Wikipedia-Entry for TWiki is linked wherever Wikipedia talks about Corporate Wikis (in en.wikipedia.org). MartinSeibert: * Untaken: Create an agenda for the TWiki Summit in Berlin in September. We should start to collect possible topic ideas also. MartinSeibert: These are untaken action items. VickiBrown: I'll "take" the first three PeterThoeny: time check: +80min [1:20] PeterThoeny: reload the page MartinSeibert: Vickie: You are my girl! :-)) VickiBrown: yes, well, they're in my purview MartinSeibert: So we are down to: MartinSeibert: Untaken: Create an agenda for the TWiki Summit in Berlin in September. We should start to collect possible topic ideas also. PeterThoeny: Lavr: could you take this? Lavr: OK MartinSeibert: Perfect! PeterThoeny: cool! [1:21] VickiBrown: then we're finished PeterThoeny: productive meeting MartinSeibert: Thanks. PeterThoeny: wish next time more folks attend! [1:22] VickiBrown: a topic for the meeting - getting people to the meeting PeterThoeny: i hear a growling (i am hungry) MartinSeibert: Carlo: MartinSeibert: Do you want to write me a mail, what I can do? CarloSchulz : regarding berlin? MartinSeibert: Yep. CarloSchulz : ok - I'll do so MartinSeibert: carlo: http://www.qype.com/search/vicinity?search_term=restaurant&where=Berlin%2C+Am+Borsigturm+130 MartinSeibert: This could help. MartinSeibert: And this: http://tinyurl.com/5yd2e5 [1:25]