Minutes of Edinburgh Release Meeting, 18 Jul 2006

TOC and Agenda

Logistics, Participants, IRC log

• Date: Tuesday, 18 Jul 2005 05:00 GMT
• IRC Channel: #twiki_edinburgh
• Participants: SvenDowideit (SvenDowideit), CrawfordCurrie (CDot), KennethLavrsen (Lavr), ArthurClemens (ArthurClemens), PeterThoeny (PeterThoeny), MichaelDaum (MichaelDaum), RafaelAlvarez (Soronthar), HaraldJoerg (HaraldJoerg), WillNorris (wbniv),
• Not present but usually are: SteffenPoulsen (SteffenPoulsen), Benjamin Jones (Dzaster), SamHasler (Flenser), MeredithLesly (Drusilla), TravisBarker (TravisBarker), LynnwoodBrown (Lynnwood), MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver)
• Facilitated by SvenDowideit (SvenDowideit)
• Notes taken by KennethLavrsen (Lavr)
• Meeting Minutes: EdinburghMinutes2006x07x03.txt

1. Review Previous Action Items

• Kenneth to schedule a meeting in doc group.
  • Has happened: TWikiOrgDocWork2006
  • Sven suggested to also eventually remove old topics from twiki.org.
• ALL: Give Harald more feedback on Codev topic concerning VarXXX topics: OrganizeTWikiVariables
  • Harald requested time to think more about how to implement this in a maintainable way.
• Crawford: draft release manager role in codev, with responsibilities and criteria for decisions - DONE TWikiReleaseManagerRole
  • Discussed in item 3
• Arthur: Create an improved download page with better balance between main download and Release complements. May choose to do a test download page with 10 imaginary hotfixes.
  • The hotfix implementation on the download page does the job.
• Visibility of hotfixes for our releases
  • See above

2. Performance

• How to find a way to reward people for working on performance, even when they fail - most people that have worked on it don't feel like doing so in a hurry
  • See action items (Profiling)

3. TWiki 4.1 release process & proposed items

• Release process: TWikiReleaseManagerRole
  • There was no consensus for the proposal. New proposals for next meeting.
• Proposed items: WhatIsIn04x01
  1. ProposedChangeToWikiWordSpec - ML
     • Accepted on the condition that unit test cases and docs are updated and pass (ask for help if needed)
  2. TWikiFns (previously called TWikiTags) - ML
     • We need a TWiki4 with only the TWikiFns and nothing else for benchmark testing. If this turns out positive then the feature is accepted for 4.1
  3. ExtensionInstaller in configure - CC
     • People should try it from DEVELOP branch for next time.
  4. IncludeShouldIncludeSettings - ML
     • The initial answer is NO but we are willing to bring it up again if new arguments pro are tables on IncludeShouldIncludeSettings
  5. OrganizeTWikiVariables - haj
     • Harald suggested to think more about it.
  6. FixCheckTopicEditLock - ThomasWeigert
     • Accept to do something about the problem. Need to think carefully about the implementation as it involves API.
  7. DakarPerformanceIssues - KennethLavrsen
     We need steps to bring TWiki back towards at least Cairo performance.
     • The main contribution to address this is the profiling framework. See BenchmarkFramework

Action Items

• Doc Team: Discuss if we also want to reduce content as proposed by Sven and supported by many in community
• All: Add to "Wishlist" BenchmarkFramework - requirements and wishes
• Who? Implement profiling framework for TWiki - discuss at next meeting
• Meredith: Create TWikiFn branch of TWiki4 with no other changes.
• Kenneth: Benchmark the above with TWiki4 without TWikiFn.
• All: Try Configure script in DEVELOP and provide feedback for Crawford.

IRC Log

• EdinburghMinutes2006x07x18.txt: Edinburgh Meeting Minutes 2006-07-18

Back to: EdinburghRelease

Comments / Feedback

• 7. I am with Kenneth completely. The performance on my project has ranged from barely tolerable to abysmal. That's why I put this first. We've got to figure out how to improve the performance a lot. A machine dedicated to this purpose would be very useful.
• 2. I will put together a scratch branch with nothing but the TWikiFn stuff. I would have done so by now had I not been having serious computer problems.
• 1. Yes, I probably need help. It's a pretty triv change, however.
• 4. Not a big issue, but let me think about it some more.

-- MeredithLesly - 18 Jul 2006

There has been a branch with no changes but the TWikiFns for at least a week now. I'm surprised that no one raised that in the meeting. My previous comments, of course, are copied from the previous week's meeting and are therefore out of date.

-- MeredithLesly - 08 Aug 2006