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Coders for Hire Talk page

I had today a request from somebody to code a plugin for them, they were ready to pay for it. As I have no time, I redirected them to the CodersForHire page, but by looking at it I was struck by how user-unfriendly it is, and definitely an hindrance to making business in the TWiki ecosystem. At the bare minimum there should be a mailing list for customers to send their project once instead of painfully mailing by hand all the Coders there.

But I know that people, when requesting this kind of work, are more and more pleased by new services designed for this use case like Elance http://elance.com. It offers email notifications, evaluations, spam prevention (you have to make a deposit to post on this system), what you expect from a modern site. But there are others of course.

Thus I suggest that the http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CodersForHire page be replaced by all the coders going to one (only one to avoid customers to have to post on many places) of these "Virtual hireplace" systems. We can keep the TWiki page of course to have some "TWiki-community endorsedhall of fame", but the actual mecanics to find a coder should be handled by a modern dedicated system.

What do you think? What "Virtual hireplace" would you recommend?

-- Contributors: ColasNahaboo - 17 Aug 2008


I can't think of any Virtual Hireplace that I would use :/ .

-- SvenDowideit - 17 Aug 2008

I have always favoured that we give coders for hire better exposure and to enhance the contact between customers and coders/application builders/installers etc.

But I also believe the best way to brag about TWiki is to use TWiki. So we should develop the needed facility using the tool we all love. Best is to define some simple requirements and create it. If it requires a plugin - let us make is and install it on twiki.org.

-- KennethLavrsen - 17 Aug 2008

How about using a different site. Maybe we should use more than one machine to host all of these applications: dev.twiki.org, blog.twiki.org, services.twiki.org, de.twiki.org, themes.twiki.org, ...

-- MichaelDaum - 17 Aug 2008

The question remains the same: what stuff should be on a hire page/site?

-- ArthurClemens - 18 Aug 2008

I would say that this deserves its own web and its own TWiki application.

And why not introduce a new server for this with a new xxx.twiki.org domain?

Content - right. I see this Web and application as a place where

  • Each service provider can present himself on a full topic, and where it is OK to also give details like prices and hourly fees if the provider desires so.
  • The users can search for service providers based on different criteria. Like - skin development, installation, plugin development, or being the committed developer for a core feature that the customer wants
  • Developers can present larger design tasks for the core where several people can donate funding. Example could be integration of a new Wysiwyg editor X which would require 6 full staff months to do and companies should join forces and fund this effort.
  • Customers can post tasks they want done and developers can bid in. This would be done in a TWiki application where you fill out a form with a description, put some category (e.g. "installation Linux+TWiki", "Skin tailoring", "Plugin development") that developers can search on, geographical area etc.
  • Status showing if the item is "taken".
  • Customer evaluation after job done. Dangerous yes. But good for quality!
  • Anonymous contact information for those that do not want to post jobs in public but just want to get in touch with a developer.
  • TWikiSchool classes

I think this would be great for both developers, and other service providers and for customers. And it would also enhance TWiki's face as being a serious product.

-- KennethLavrsen - 18 Aug 2008

I'd be surprised (but delighted) if the TWiki community has the spare manpower needed to create a replacement for elance.com ; I'd suggest we pick one of those, but to try to work out how good TWiki devs would not lose out to established elance devs who have comparably little or no TWiki experience.

-- MartinCleaver - 18 Aug 2008

I like any effort in this area a lot. I would also like a third-party-solution. It would be fast and eays to use for all. I see a lot of chances with that.

-- MartinSeibert - 18 Aug 2008

I have now offered to found a German non-profit-organization with Michael Daum together. I got a "go" from Kenneth and wait for a phnoe call with PeterThoeny. Will keep you in the loop ...

-- MartinSeibert - 20 Aug 2008

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