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Implemented: Change 'action' to 'manage' in attachment table

Issue: Users do not understand what the link "action" in an attachement table does.

Solution: Rename the 'action' link to 'manage'.

Contribitors:
-- ColasNahaboo - 05 Jun 2003
-- PeterThoeny - 12 Jan 2004

Discussions

None of my users guessed what hid under the link "action" in an attachement table. So I guess this name is badly choosen. We should replace it by something else. Propositions:

  • edit : Well, this is not exactly an edit, but the name is attractive and refers to the "edit" link to edit the topic. Plus it is short smile
  • More... : since the fuctionality is close to the main "More..." link, why not? But I think it is not a good idea since "More..." is already not a good choice, too few people guess what it means.
  • update
  • modify
  • manage
  • administer
  • (add yours)
Plus I suggest removing the title of the Action column, to show that this column is not computed from attachement properties like the other ones

And adding a title to the link such as 'change, update, move, delete...' to provide a help tooltip on the links.

Example

Here is what it would look like with "edit":

Attachment: sort Size: Date: Who: Comment:
FixForNS4Blockquote.patch edit 644 17 Jun 2002 - 12:57 ColasNahaboo fix to bin/view if you have NS4 users - v2
rgb2hsvhex edit 14398 16 Jul 2002 - 04:32 MartinCleaver i686 binary
hsv2rgbhex edit 14382 16 Jul 2002 - 04:33 MartinCleaver i686 binary

Patch

A very simple patch to 2 lines of lib/TWiki/Attach.pm: AttachementActionLinkBadName.patch1 (patch to stable Feb 2003 version, with the name edit instead of action)

-- ColasNahaboo - 05 Jun 2003

Comments

One of my users tried to attach to the TWiki.FileAttachment page after he figured that he needed to click on the "attachment" heading row of the attachment table, so I agree that non-clarity is a problem here.

I think the use of buttons (like KoalaSkin uses for the Save button (but curiously not for the edit button)) might enhance usability here. Maybe Arthur or Torben can comment?

-- MartinCleaver - 05 Jun 2003

Side remark on the save problem: HTML forces a newline after a form, so it is easy to use buttons for the layout if they are all in the same form, i.e., handled by the same script, which is the case of save with savemulti, hence the name smile

Using a button for edit would thus need to either be kept for only edit (and not attach, etc...), or have one "wrapper-script" decoding the different actions to be done: edit/attach...

But, in my experience, if people care about their tools enough to use acces keys, they already dropped IE for a better browser... (half joking there)

It is not technically difficult to code, but I am a bit reluctant to have too much things differing in the non-skin part between the standard release and the KoalaSkin. I guess it is another reason to find a way to have BetterDefaults as soon as possible smile

-- ColasNahaboo - 05 Jun 2003

Somehow I have missed this topic.

  • I agree that 'edit' is a better word in this context than 'action'
  • To remove the header label makes sense, since you cannot sort rows when they all have the same content. But visually the gap in the header row is a bit awkward.
  • This table is also used on the Attachment page, where the link for the attachment becomes 'view' (see below). The header label could be omitted also here, but I think the header 'Action' fits here (perhaps better).

actions.jpg

  • Making the 'Edit' link a button would make things obvious, but also visually very heavy. Likewise the links at the bottom of the topic ('topic action') are also not buttons. Although you could try using CSS as on this gnustep wiki. In the end I prefer just a plain link.
  • So in all, I vow for changing the link label 'action' to 'edit', but to keep the header label 'Action'.

-- ArthurClemens - 09 Jan 2004

As noted in BetterAttachmentTableForCairoRelease, 'edit' makes it sound like you can edit the attachment itself (which would be very cool!) rather than manage the file's metadata. In any case, I do think 'edit' is preferable to 'action'. 'Modify' and 'Administer' might work too, with my personal preference going to 'modify'.

-- MattWilkie - 10 Jan 2004

I would like 'manage' not 'edit' (i.e. you are doing various 'admin' type things to the attachment, rather than editing the attachment itself. Particularly with attachment icons for common file types, people would naturally expect 'edit' to mean 'edit the attachment', just as Edit on a TWiki page means 'edit the page'.

'Modify' is rather like edit, and 'administer' would be just about OK, but is longer than 'manage'.

I agree with keeping Action as the column header.

-- RichardDonkin - 10 Jan 2004

I think the ambiguity with 'edit' can be solved by placing the link at the far right of the table. There, 'edit' points to the whole row instead of to the attachment itself. This becomes similar to 'edit table' with the EditTablePlugin.

-- ArthurClemens - 10 Jan 2004

Well, by reading the arguments on this page, I must say that I now think 'update' (or 'change', or 'modify', or... something short?) would be the better word, as I agree that having 2 "Edit" links doing different things (Edit page contents or change metadata of attachement).

On the column header issue, I have no opinion.

-- ColasNahaboo - 11 Jan 2004

Two examples:

With link at right:

Attachment Size Date Who Comment Action
FixForNS4Blockquote.patch 10K 17 Jun 2002 - 12:57 ColasNahaboo fix to bin/view if you have NS4 users - v2 edit

or with button style:

Attachment Size Date Who Comment Action
FixForNS4Blockquote.patch 10K 17 Jun 2002 - 12:57 ColasNahaboo fix to bin/view if you have NS4 users - v2 edit

-- ArthurClemens - 11 Jan 2004

I don't think relocating the 'edit' link helps disambiguate it, since the problem is that people will think that this means 'edit this file' (by analogy with 'edit this page'). Something like 'manage' or 'administer' is at least not a synonym of 'edit' (i.e. not 'update' or 'modify') and describes the operation better - like file management in the OS, as opposed to file editing.

-- RichardDonkin - 11 Jan 2004

OK, I agree that there remains an ambiguity (more so than I had realized as a non-native speaker). I tend to go for 'manage' then.

Attachment Action Size Date Who Comment
Ijsakjs lweoij lksjdf.patch manage 10K 17 Jun 2002 - 12:57 ColasNahaboo asdiou awlja sldkj ad a
asfwesds sdfwe.patch manage 10K 18 Jun 2002 - 13:58 ColasNahaboo fix to bin/view if you have NS4 users - v2
sdfoi wefj sjlkdf iwe.patch manage 3K 19 Jun 2002 - 14:03 ColasNahaboo asdflkj weo flksjdf jdfoij weljkf k
FixForNS4Blockquote.patch manage 14K 20 Jun 2002 - 16:27 ColasNahaboo oij ejkl lskdj flkj lkj fiek slkdf
sdflkj ewoij sljdf kj owief.patch manage 55K 21 Jun 2002 - 12:00 ColasNahaboo sfio welkj skjf lskdjfiwe flj sdkfj lsdkfj we

with button style:

Attachment Action Size Date Who Comment
Ijsakjs lweoij lksjdf.patch manage 10K 17 Jun 2002 - 12:57 ColasNahaboo asdiou awlja sldkj ad a
asfwesds sdfwe.patch manage 10K 18 Jun 2002 - 13:58 ColasNahaboo fix to bin/view if you have NS4 users - v2
sdfoi wefj sjlkdf iwe.patch manage 3K 19 Jun 2002 - 14:03 ColasNahaboo asdflkj weo flksjdf jdfoij weljkf k
FixForNS4Blockquote.patch manage 14K 20 Jun 2002 - 16:27 ColasNahaboo oij ejkl lskdj flkj lkj fiek slkdf
sdflkj ewoij sljdf kj owief.patch manage 55K 21 Jun 2002 - 12:00 ColasNahaboo sfio welkj skjf lskdjfiwe flj sdkfj lsdkfj we

The button version becomes very heavy indeed.

-- ArthurClemens - 11 Jan 2004

Good that we found a consensus. This change is tracked in BetterAttachmentTableForCairoRelease.

-- PeterThoeny - 12 Jan 2004

Topic attachments
I Attachment History Action Size Date Who Comment
Unknown file formatpatch1 AttachementActionLinkBadName.patch1 r1 manage 1.9 K 2003-06-05 - 05:00 ColasNahaboo patch to Feb 2003 version
JPEGjpg actions.jpg r1 manage 28.8 K 2004-01-09 - 22:49 ArthurClemens Attachment page, Update attachment section
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