Minutes of Georgetown Release Meeting, 2008-05-12

TOC and Agenda

Logistics, Participants, IRC log

• Date: Monday, 2008-05-12 19:00 GMT (Convert the start for your time zone)
• IRC Channel: #twiki_release

• Participants: (smilies for those who are present)
  • PeterThoeny (PeterThoeny_)
  • MarkusUeberall (uebera||)
  • ArthurClemens (ArthurClemens)
  • OliverKrueger (OliverKrueger)
  • MatthewMetzger (MatthewMetzger)
  • KennethLavrsen (Lavr)
  • KoenMartens (gmc)
  • ColasNahaboo
  • LarsEik
  • KwangErnLiew (ktwilight)
  • MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver)
  • HarlanStenn (harlan)
  • SvenDowideit (sven_/SvenDowideit)
  • TomBarton
  • AndreUlrich (AndreU)
  • MichaelDaum (MichaelDaum)
  • CrawfordCurrie (CDot)
  • HaraldJoerg (HaraldJoerg)
  • GilmarSantosJr
  • SueBlake (unizhag)
  • tibaza
  • JensDienst
  • AdamHyde (eset)
  • CarloSchulz
  • DavidAllen (DavidAllen)
  • LynnwoodBrown (Lynnwood)
  • RodBeckstrom (rodbeckstrom)
  • SopanShewale (SopanShewale)
  • ChrisFLewis (lewisham)
  • StephenHoffmann (shoffmann)
  • WillThomas (will_t1)
  • SteffenPoulsen (SteffenPoulsen)
  • WillNorris (wbniv)
  • SteveRJones (SteveRJones)
  • JoieySeeley (bigtuna)
  • GordonTetlow (gordont)
  • Torsten (McAldo)
  • RafaelAlvarez (Soronthar)
  • SamHasler (Flenser)
  • StephaneLenclud (StephaneLenclud)
  • ThomasWeigert (tweigert)
  • Benjamin Jones (Dzaster)
  • TravisBarker (TravisBarker)
  • AntonioTerceiro (terceiro)
  • MarkKeisler (MarkKeisler)
  • Zenopus
  • UdiOron (nonZero)
  • MartinSeibert (MartinSeibert)
  • AcridSaint?
  • DejanTolj (dtolj)
• Facilitated by PeterThoeny
• Notes taken by MarkusUeberall (because release manager KennethLavrsen is on a business trip in Malaysia and couldn't attend)

• Log of IRC meeting: GeorgetownMinutes2008x05x12.txt

• Previous release meeting: GeorgetownReleaseMeeting2008x04x28
• Next release meeting: GeorgetownReleaseMeeting2008x05x26?

1. Review Urgent Bugs with 4.2.1 scope

• Desired outcome: Identify owners for urgent bugs; decide on release date of 4.2.1
• See TWikibug:ReleaseBlocker, List of changes waiting for release
• To limit the time we spend on this, please review the urgent bugs and if you are willing to try to resolve a bug put the item in "Being worked on" and put your name in the "Waiting for" field.

• TWikibug:Item5511 - change in behaviour (updated attachment always gets the name of file it replaces) is to be documented; not regarded as a blocker for 4.2.1 any longer
  • (MarkusUeberall: documentation should be ready when 4.2.1 gets released)
• TWikibug:Item5602 - should be fixed, but is also a documentation issue; since it's probably around since 4.0, this item should be downgraded (not a release blocker for 4.2.1)
  • PeterThoeny: "ALLOWWEBRENAME" in fact grants permissions to rename topics in a web.
  • ArthurClemens: Then how to protect webs from getting renamed?
  • PeterThoeny: probably open issue; maybe split it up into two separate bug items later (for now, bug item will be updated)
  • (MarkusUeberall: again, will try to update the documentation for 4.2.1)
• TWikibug:Item5529 - i18n issue, clearly a bug
  • ArthurClemens: Probably because regexes still use a-zA-Z
    • No we do not define regexes as A-Z. Problem is that somewhere in the code Perl does not see the characters above hex value 7F as UTF8. The problem is only seen when running UTF8. -- KJL
  • What about a workaround? scan for punctuation and whitespace (but what about '<', '>', ampersand, semicolon --> html tags/entities?)
    • This bug is simply about not being able to search for words containing characters other than A-Z. So I cannot implement a twiki app that can find a name like "Søren". It has nothing to do with punctuation. -- KJL
• TWikibug:Item5485 - to be closed (actually a web server related problem, cf. updated description)
• TWikibug:Item5447 - ArthurClemens: will get back to that
• TWikibug:Item5608 - documentation issue, but not a blocker for 4.2.1
  • (MarkusUeberall: again, will try to update the documentation regarding ScriptUrlPaths for 4.2.1)

2. Feature requests for Georgetown Release

• Desired outcome: Discuss and decide on pending feature request that need attention
• See TWikiFeatureProposals#ProposalsReadyForReleaseMeeting

Attendants haven't had time to (thoroughly) look at the proposals, so no decisions were made. ArthurClemens and MarkusUeberall said they wanted to look at the plugin CrawfordCurrie attached to ProcessAddToHeadAddsTalk, PeterThoeny suggested to review the talk page and tweak the proposal a bit to get the person who raised concern to agree.

3. Proposal for new core team

• PeterThoeny has this action item from the Q1 2008 Summit. For the time being (no finished proposal), he suggested an open ended discussion: "how to organize ourselfs to make quick decisions, increase our community, have fun?"
• ArthurClemens: we need to show we are an open community ('core team' members have no special status, no special meetings, and don't decide on TWiki above the rest of the community)
• PeterThoeny: KennethLavrsen and I feel that we need to enhance the current process so that we can scale better; main purpose of the 'core team' (overloaded term--is there a better name?) is to put on breaks if needed, but so far we never used veto power
• ArthurClemens: we have people with a status and we have roles (cf. CoreTeam). I propose an alternative setup for TWiki 'tasks' (for lack of a better name)--we have a roadmap for the next major release and we need help on architectural issues for sure; also, we need discussions that are above the feature requests. For what kind of issues do we need a core team?
• PeterThoeny: if we have, say 5 focus groups with leads, we need to coordinate (purpose of the new core team?) -- ArthurClemens: coordination should still happen in meetings; new core team should be TWikiFacilitatorTeam
• PeterThoeny: should current types of meeting be merged (just one type of meeting)?
• ArthurClemens: how many veto rights do we need? could that be one circulating member, to be voted upon once a year?
• ArthurClemens: focus groups shouldn't be fixed structures; and we must not end up with a lot of groups without people

Action Items

• Peter - put forward proposal for new core team.
• Markus - add missing documentation, hopefully in time for 4.2.1 (see above)

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Comments / Feedback

MarkusUeberall: Great job on the minutes. Thanks!

All: I'm encouraged to see difficult but important topics (governance) are finally starting to be addressed. Don't forget that much of this was previously debated on Codev!

-- CrawfordCurrie - 13 May 2008

Thanks for having the meeting while I am in Malaysia. I am back Thursday the 15th.

Looking forward to more Governance progress. Is anyone interested in a 1 hour voice conference call in a near future on this subject?

-- KennethLavrsen - 13 May 2008